New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation
07-10-2002, 11:26 AM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation Thanks guys I couldnt remember the name of them <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Does this guy have an overbore?
Thanks!!
Chris
Does this guy have an overbore?
Thanks!!
Chris
07-10-2002, 11:27 AM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>Hey, aren't you a moderator on LS1.com? Thanks for coming over here for tech help <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Figured someone would pick up on that.. yeah, moderator of the help section as well <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
I needed quick answers.
I don't see Cometic gaskets listed on Thunders site. Guess I need to call.
<strong>Hey, aren't you a moderator on LS1.com? Thanks for coming over here for tech help <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Figured someone would pick up on that.. yeah, moderator of the help section as well <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
I needed quick answers.
I don't see Cometic gaskets listed on Thunders site. Guess I need to call.
07-10-2002, 11:33 AM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation Chris, they are not listed on the website, but they do have them.
07-10-2002, 02:44 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation What year heads you running?
Did you use the graphite head gasket or the newer 3 peice metal one?
FYI, during my head/cam swap one of the dowels from the ported heads was still in the head.
We put the dowels back in the block and put the heads on. We didn't notice that the one head still had the dowel in it. It sit normal and would not rock on the block unless you give it a very good shove back and forth. Fortunately, we figured it out quickly. Probably not the problem but you never know.
Eric
Did you use the graphite head gasket or the newer 3 peice metal one?
FYI, during my head/cam swap one of the dowels from the ported heads was still in the head.
We put the dowels back in the block and put the heads on. We didn't notice that the one head still had the dowel in it. It sit normal and would not rock on the block unless you give it a very good shove back and forth. Fortunately, we figured it out quickly. Probably not the problem but you never know.
Eric
07-10-2002, 02:45 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation I'm royaly f'ed if it's the block.
Just had the block done, again, tested, honed, etc, etc. It's 'smoked' from the first time I started it.
I'm leaning to the head gaskets now myself.
I should have them off tonight, or tomorrow morning, and I'll take lots of pics.
*sigh*
Just had the block done, again, tested, honed, etc, etc. It's 'smoked' from the first time I started it.
I'm leaning to the head gaskets now myself.
I should have them off tonight, or tomorrow morning, and I'll take lots of pics.
*sigh*
07-10-2002, 03:51 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation Chris,
You definitely came to the right site for "tech" help. It's too bad that there isn't enough technical people over at LS1.com to help you. Welcome to LS1Tech, and good luck with your car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
You definitely came to the right site for "tech" help. It's too bad that there isn't enough technical people over at LS1.com to help you. Welcome to LS1Tech, and good luck with your car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
07-10-2002, 04:56 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation Hey,
Your that famous guy that was on TV. <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Sorry to hear about your problems.
John
Your that famous guy that was on TV. <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Sorry to hear about your problems.
John
07-10-2002, 05:16 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation Dunno about the <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> but, yeah, thats me.
http://www.2000transam.com/video/2020wmv.wmv
Are we sure about the sludge? I swear to you it feels and looks like my engine pre-lube.
I'll try to pull one or both heads off tonight and see if I had the gaskets on backwards or not.
http://www.2000transam.com/video/2020wmv.wmv
Are we sure about the sludge? I swear to you it feels and looks like my engine pre-lube.
I'll try to pull one or both heads off tonight and see if I had the gaskets on backwards or not.
07-10-2002, 05:22 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mmiller:
<strong>Chris,
You definitely came to the right site for "tech" help. It's too bad that there isn't enough technical people over at LS1.com to help you. Welcome to LS1Tech, and good luck with your car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks for that.. yes, as I said, I moderate the help section, and try to help anyone and everyone I can with the problems they have.. most are basic questions.
I needed a serious opinion on what was going on from more people than were just on ls1.com, but, several of them have said the same things that have been said here. I wouldn't say that everyone over on ls1.com is 'dumb'.. just that the more/most knoledgeable ones either don't care, or don't visit anymore.
Trust me, I've seen the flames from one site to the other, and, me, I just don't really care for that... ls1.com's getting close to a hundred MILLION hits a month and has lost most of it's pure tech knoledge. It's become more of a general knoledge site IMO.
I installed gaskets that looked the same as the gaskets they made in mid 2000.. I guess the 'normal' graphite ones. I purchased the GM kit 88894342, and used those gaskets. Purchased them about.. oh, maybe 2 months ago.
I'm running GTP 5.3 S2 heads, D. Elgin racing cam, JE pistons, manley rods, stock crank.
<small>[ July 10, 2002, 05:31 PM: Message edited by: Chris Johnson 00 T/A ]</small>
<strong>Chris,
You definitely came to the right site for "tech" help. It's too bad that there isn't enough technical people over at LS1.com to help you. Welcome to LS1Tech, and good luck with your car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks for that.. yes, as I said, I moderate the help section, and try to help anyone and everyone I can with the problems they have.. most are basic questions.
I needed a serious opinion on what was going on from more people than were just on ls1.com, but, several of them have said the same things that have been said here. I wouldn't say that everyone over on ls1.com is 'dumb'.. just that the more/most knoledgeable ones either don't care, or don't visit anymore.
Trust me, I've seen the flames from one site to the other, and, me, I just don't really care for that... ls1.com's getting close to a hundred MILLION hits a month and has lost most of it's pure tech knoledge. It's become more of a general knoledge site IMO.
I installed gaskets that looked the same as the gaskets they made in mid 2000.. I guess the 'normal' graphite ones. I purchased the GM kit 88894342, and used those gaskets. Purchased them about.. oh, maybe 2 months ago.
I'm running GTP 5.3 S2 heads, D. Elgin racing cam, JE pistons, manley rods, stock crank.
<small>[ July 10, 2002, 05:31 PM: Message edited by: Chris Johnson 00 T/A ]</small>
07-10-2002, 07:12 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation Sorry to hear about this Chris <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> Best of luck, I hope you get your car back on the road with as little trouble as possible!
07-10-2002, 07:16 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation Well hopefully when you pull the heads off you will see some little channels where the gasket is washed out...
07-10-2002, 07:35 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Chris Johnson 00 T/A:
<strong>No no.. they are not solid. They look *exactly* like the stock ones I pulled out of the motor... My engine builder said that they came from a Ford 5.0 motor. Thats the only thing I could think of in the way of, other that a bad head gasket, or head gasket install gone wrong, that was 'different' from normal.
I called a few dealers, and I think it's the right side gasket, is on back order from GM.
I posted yesterday on other options and pricing of gaskets, and didn't get much of an answer on where to get cometic or copper gaskets, or if it's even worth the time or money.
TPIS has some that raise the compression .5.. but, with already running about 12:1.. dunno if I wanna do that.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">5.0l Ford IS a different kettle of fish.....
<strong>No no.. they are not solid. They look *exactly* like the stock ones I pulled out of the motor... My engine builder said that they came from a Ford 5.0 motor. Thats the only thing I could think of in the way of, other that a bad head gasket, or head gasket install gone wrong, that was 'different' from normal.
I called a few dealers, and I think it's the right side gasket, is on back order from GM.
I posted yesterday on other options and pricing of gaskets, and didn't get much of an answer on where to get cometic or copper gaskets, or if it's even worth the time or money.
TPIS has some that raise the compression .5.. but, with already running about 12:1.. dunno if I wanna do that.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">5.0l Ford IS a different kettle of fish.....
07-10-2002, 08:01 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation Damn!
We've all had our runs of bad luck.
Hope it's a gasket.
Whatcha TQ 'em down to? My mech likes 110-120 ft/lbs. No mickey mouse TQ angles.
We've all had our runs of bad luck.
Hope it's a gasket.
Whatcha TQ 'em down to? My mech likes 110-120 ft/lbs. No mickey mouse TQ angles.
07-10-2002, 08:24 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation That is definately a head gasket issue.
Mello,
The torque specs for a stock LS1 head bolt is 65 ft/lbs. If you torqued them to 110-120, first off the bolt would break way before that and even if you could it would smash the gasket.........
Mello,
The torque specs for a stock LS1 head bolt is 65 ft/lbs. If you torqued them to 110-120, first off the bolt would break way before that and even if you could it would smash the gasket.........
07-10-2002, 08:43 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation Chris....
The Ford dowel/alignment pins that were used may have been the correct width, but too long which would not allow the head to make a tight seal to the block deck. And I bet that is exactly where your problem lays.
Just my opinion from what has been posted here.
As I said before, when you see that chocolate milk shake stuff in your engine, you HAVE a coolant leak into the engine oiling system. Bottom line....
Good luck,
Ron
The Ford dowel/alignment pins that were used may have been the correct width, but too long which would not allow the head to make a tight seal to the block deck. And I bet that is exactly where your problem lays.
Just my opinion from what has been posted here.
As I said before, when you see that chocolate milk shake stuff in your engine, you HAVE a coolant leak into the engine oiling system. Bottom line....
Good luck,
Ron
07-10-2002, 09:15 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation Alright, more pictures. I pulled the passenger side head, and looked at the gasket. It looks fine to me. It also looks like it's installed correctly. The 'Front' is at the front, and 'This side up' is up. I can't think of another way in my head to flip it to the other side of the motor and install it backwards.
Looking at #4 piston, I notice that the exhaust valve is a different color than the rest. Could that be because it's been 'washed' by coolant?
http://www.2000transam.com/catalog/c...d/img_6340.jpg
http://www.2000transam.com/catalog/c...d/img_6341.jpg
<small>[ July 11, 2002, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: Pro Stock John ]</small>
Looking at #4 piston, I notice that the exhaust valve is a different color than the rest. Could that be because it's been 'washed' by coolant?
http://www.2000transam.com/catalog/c...d/img_6340.jpg
http://www.2000transam.com/catalog/c...d/img_6341.jpg
<small>[ July 11, 2002, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: Pro Stock John ]</small>
07-10-2002, 09:48 PM
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Re: New engine problems - Steam from tail pipes, sludge severe hesitation Cylinders 2,4,6 & 8.
http://www.2000transam.com/catalog/c...d/img_6342.jpg
http://www.2000transam.com/catalog/c...d/img_6343.jpg
http://www.2000transam.com/catalog/c...d/img_6344.jpg
http://www.2000transam.com/catalog/c...d/img_6345.jpg
<small>[ July 11, 2002, 12:10 PM: Message edited by: Pro Stock John ]</small>
http://www.2000transam.com/catalog/c...d/img_6342.jpg
http://www.2000transam.com/catalog/c...d/img_6343.jpg
http://www.2000transam.com/catalog/c...d/img_6344.jpg
http://www.2000transam.com/catalog/c...d/img_6345.jpg
<small>[ July 11, 2002, 12:10 PM: Message edited by: Pro Stock John ]</small>