Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem?
08-19-2002, 01:15 PM
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Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? I was thinking about this today.. Do you guys think I have a problem with my car still? Or my car is operating within the norm..? The heads are not the best, but I was told I might not have the cam for my setup. Mismatched components.. Even though I have decided on what my next setup is going to be. I might entertain one more cam swap..
08-19-2002, 01:17 PM
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>I was thinking about this today.. Do you guys think I have a problem with my car still? Or my car is operating within the norm..? The heads are not the best, but I was told I might not have the cam for my setup. Mismatched components.. Even though I have decided on what my next setup is going to be. I might entertain one more cam swap..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you got the $$$ GTP heads and TR 230 cam. That will make you a happy camper. If I had the extra $$$ I'd have GTP heads myself <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<strong>I was thinking about this today.. Do you guys think I have a problem with my car still? Or my car is operating within the norm..? The heads are not the best, but I was told I might not have the cam for my setup. Mismatched components.. Even though I have decided on what my next setup is going to be. I might entertain one more cam swap..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you got the $$$ GTP heads and TR 230 cam. That will make you a happy camper. If I had the extra $$$ I'd have GTP heads myself <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? whats wrong with your numbers? whats the dyno look like thats what really matters... where does it make power?
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? Vince have you been back to the track since that first low-shifting outing? I'm curious to see how the car will run when shifted at 6500 or higher and with atleast a 1.85 sixty'.
I personally believe nothing is wrong with the 226 x-er cam you have chosen...but I cannot speak of the heads because I have absolutely no experience with them outside of what you have posted.
Have you considered putting stock heads back on the car? This is just a suggestion, but one that will take the variable of "bad" heads out of the picture. I personally would take this route over any other. It is cheaper than new stage 2's and I think the 226 Xe-R is just fine.
But what cam are you considering? Something bigger that is less streetable and will require more tuning? Something proven?
Just my opinion: If I were in your shoes I would turn an eye to a closer to stock set-up rather than one that is more radical (and in that more expensive).
Good Luck
I personally believe nothing is wrong with the 226 x-er cam you have chosen...but I cannot speak of the heads because I have absolutely no experience with them outside of what you have posted.
Have you considered putting stock heads back on the car? This is just a suggestion, but one that will take the variable of "bad" heads out of the picture. I personally would take this route over any other. It is cheaper than new stage 2's and I think the 226 Xe-R is just fine.
But what cam are you considering? Something bigger that is less streetable and will require more tuning? Something proven?
Just my opinion: If I were in your shoes I would turn an eye to a closer to stock set-up rather than one that is more radical (and in that more expensive).
Good Luck
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? Vince, have you had a chance to run it down the track a few times? That's what is really going to matter. The dyno is a bit on the low side but if it performs well at the track, then you may want to keep your current set up.
08-19-2002, 03:58 PM
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? Vince's car is HEAVY, so it will be hard for him to get decent "heads/cam" track#'s out of it without a lighter driver. However going back to the track and actually driving correctly will show a comparible difference to last time <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Vince, you need to find someone you can trust to drive the car right at around ~170-180 lbs or so to see what it can really do. Your big *** alone is robbing you of about 3 tenths/3 mph. I think your car driven properly at a 3550ish race weight would run some decent #'s.
As for the cam issue, I am sticking to what I said earlier. I think it's worth a shot...
josh
Vince, you need to find someone you can trust to drive the car right at around ~170-180 lbs or so to see what it can really do. Your big *** alone is robbing you of about 3 tenths/3 mph. I think your car driven properly at a 3550ish race weight would run some decent #'s.
As for the cam issue, I am sticking to what I said earlier. I think it's worth a shot...
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
<strong>Vince's car is HEAVY, so it will be hard for him to get decent "heads/cam" track#'s out of it without a lighter driver. However going back to the track and actually driving correctly will show a comparible difference to last time <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Vince, you need to find someone you can trust to drive the car right at around ~170-180 lbs or so to see what it can really do. Your big *** alone is robbing you of about 3 tenths/3 mph. I think your car driven properly at a 3550ish race weight would run some decent #'s.
As for the cam issue, I am sticking to what I said earlier. I think it's worth a shot...
josh</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Are you saying he is losing 3 mph because of his weight or driving ability or both? I dont know Vince, but I doubt he weighs so much more than 170 lbs that just his weight slows the car down that much. However I could definately believe a very skillful driver could get 3 more mph out of the car by shifting higher/quicker.
<strong>Vince's car is HEAVY, so it will be hard for him to get decent "heads/cam" track#'s out of it without a lighter driver. However going back to the track and actually driving correctly will show a comparible difference to last time <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Vince, you need to find someone you can trust to drive the car right at around ~170-180 lbs or so to see what it can really do. Your big *** alone is robbing you of about 3 tenths/3 mph. I think your car driven properly at a 3550ish race weight would run some decent #'s.
As for the cam issue, I am sticking to what I said earlier. I think it's worth a shot...
josh</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Are you saying he is losing 3 mph because of his weight or driving ability or both? I dont know Vince, but I doubt he weighs so much more than 170 lbs that just his weight slows the car down that much. However I could definately believe a very skillful driver could get 3 more mph out of the car by shifting higher/quicker.
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? Vince, don't spend another dime on the car until you have decided what would make you happy or your longterm goals for the car (might be the same thing) and go from there. Just make sure you dont end up paying for labor on a cam swap that won't work with a forced induction setup for example. If you can swing the cash, get a set of heads from a reputable porter [subliminal] GTP!! [/subliminal] since your low dyno problem started occuring with the head swap. Just my $.02
08-19-2002, 04:42 PM
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? The weather sucks now and I want to wait till I put the shift light in b4 I go back to the track.. Mike I was thinking of putting the stock heads back on, but I had to pick up something with the heads secondary to dyno'ing higher with them... I've been doing a lot of reading on a lot of cam and head specs.. Off the board research.. All leads to mix-matched components. I am trying to take the easy route at this point. I am going with a entirely new setup next year and I do not want to sink a lot of money into the car. Cam swap is the cheapest and so is changing exhaust.. Late next year I have big plans for this car.. I want to buy a house first and then start on my new setup.. I am just waiting on the IT field to stop tripping..
08-19-2002, 04:59 PM
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Are you saying he is losing 3 mph because of his weight or driving ability or both? I dont know Vince, but I doubt he weighs so much more than 170 lbs that just his weight slows the car down that much. However I could definately believe a very skillful driver could get 3 more mph out of the car by shifting higher/quicker.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL...You need to pay a little closer attention to Vince's "specs" at the bottom of his posts <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> . Vince is 6'7 and weighs almost 300 lbs. He's a big boy....
And yes, he stated he was shifting at 6K last time. I don't know what crack pipe he was smoking, but thats way to low for a 226 XE-r cam. He DEFINATELY has a lot of room left in his setup with traction, weight, and higher shift points...
josh
And yes, he stated he was shifting at 6K last time. I don't know what crack pipe he was smoking, but thats way to low for a 226 XE-r cam. He DEFINATELY has a lot of room left in his setup with traction, weight, and higher shift points...
josh
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? hey VINCE,
how are you doin? have you finished tuning your car? have you taken it to Thunder Racing yet???
you numbers looks ok to me, now its time for some track times...
Good luck,
how are you doin? have you finished tuning your car? have you taken it to Thunder Racing yet???
you numbers looks ok to me, now its time for some track times...
Good luck,
08-19-2002, 05:10 PM
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? Geoff at Thunder Racing recommended I iron out a few things first b4 coming there to tune the car with ls1edit. I understand his concerns and would not have a customer drive so far to get minimal results.. Thats good business on Geoffs part..
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by verbs:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>I was thinking about this today.. Do you guys think I have a problem with my car still? Or my car is operating within the norm..? The heads are not the best, but I was told I might not have the cam for my setup. Mismatched components.. Even though I have decided on what my next setup is going to be. I might entertain one more cam swap..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you got the $$$ GTP heads and TR 230 cam. That will make you a happy camper. If I had the extra $$$ I'd have GTP heads myself <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Verbs your making 437 hp with crap tuning and your not happy with the heads you have?HOw much more power do yuo think you will make over the heads on your car? Craig G is a great guy Ask him how much more power he thinks you will make with his heads and same compression ratio.I am sure he will be honest.As he knows Brian.
Vince I dont think your numbers are too bad considering the gears and all.I am also not sure of your comrpession ratio.I say take it to the trck and have fun if someone makes 10 more hp than you dont fret it.
Besides your 6'7" and weigh 300 lbs if someone lips off about the way it runs beat there a$$ <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
<small>[ August 19, 2002, 05:49 PM: Message edited by: H82BBad ]</small>
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>I was thinking about this today.. Do you guys think I have a problem with my car still? Or my car is operating within the norm..? The heads are not the best, but I was told I might not have the cam for my setup. Mismatched components.. Even though I have decided on what my next setup is going to be. I might entertain one more cam swap..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you got the $$$ GTP heads and TR 230 cam. That will make you a happy camper. If I had the extra $$$ I'd have GTP heads myself <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Verbs your making 437 hp with crap tuning and your not happy with the heads you have?HOw much more power do yuo think you will make over the heads on your car? Craig G is a great guy Ask him how much more power he thinks you will make with his heads and same compression ratio.I am sure he will be honest.As he knows Brian.
Vince I dont think your numbers are too bad considering the gears and all.I am also not sure of your comrpession ratio.I say take it to the trck and have fun if someone makes 10 more hp than you dont fret it.
Besides your 6'7" and weigh 300 lbs if someone lips off about the way it runs beat there a$$ <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
<small>[ August 19, 2002, 05:49 PM: Message edited by: H82BBad ]</small>
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? Verbs I would be happy with your setup.. You paid very little for those heads and you rec'd a lot.. If you want to send those heads my way.. Just let me know..
08-19-2002, 06:45 PM
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? H82BBAD... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Going to jail does not appeal to me.. I wil accept my fate like a man.. I was thinking because of the gain from the cutout a 226/236 XE-R would be a nice cam.. Who knows.. I could be just wasting more money.. I am sure someone is thinking... What is his problem..? No other hobbies besides going to the gym. Maybe I will enter the Toughman Contest next year and win that 50K.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Training for that will keep my mind off this car..
<small>[ August 19, 2002, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: VINCE ]</small>
<small>[ August 19, 2002, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: VINCE ]</small>
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>H82BBAD... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Going to jail does not appeal to me.. I wil accept my fate like a man.. I was thinking because of the gain from the cutout a 226/236 XE-R would be a nice cam.. Who knows.. I could be just wasting more money.. I am sure someone is thinking... What is his problem..? No other hobbies besides going to the gym. Maybe I will enter the Toughman Contest next year and win that 50K.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Training for that will keep my mind off this car..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Almost everyone picks up with a cutout considering our single exhaust.I would say that is the main reason.I still run the stock catback on my cat but I also run a cutout. Although I am waiting an electric one that is coming soon <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
BTW I was just kidding on the kick there a$$ comment <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Just smack em once or twice <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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<strong>H82BBAD... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Going to jail does not appeal to me.. I wil accept my fate like a man.. I was thinking because of the gain from the cutout a 226/236 XE-R would be a nice cam.. Who knows.. I could be just wasting more money.. I am sure someone is thinking... What is his problem..? No other hobbies besides going to the gym. Maybe I will enter the Toughman Contest next year and win that 50K.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Training for that will keep my mind off this car..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Almost everyone picks up with a cutout considering our single exhaust.I would say that is the main reason.I still run the stock catback on my cat but I also run a cutout. Although I am waiting an electric one that is coming soon <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
BTW I was just kidding on the kick there a$$ comment <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Just smack em once or twice <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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08-19-2002, 07:21 PM
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Re: Enlight of my last dyno last week. Do you guys think I still have a problem? LOL!! I picked up 15rwhp peak from the dual cutouts in the y-pipe and at one point it was 16.7rwhp.. That is the reason I was thinking maybe a cam with more exhaust would help me out a little, but I might just save for the next setup if swapping cams is not recommended. I should just enjoy the car. It is running.