View Poll Results: Which should turn better times?
5.3 stage 2.5 / stock gasket / MS4
5
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5.3 stage 2.5 / .045 gasket / Torquer 2
2
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Which H/C setup is best for the track?
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Which H/C setup is best for the track? Considering everything else is equal and the only changes would be the Cam and Head gasket, which setup would put up better numbers at the track?
I am going to do TSP 5.3L stage 2.5 Heads with my current cam and a .045 cometic gasket, but I am considering swapping out my T2 for a cam such as the MS4 at the same time and running a stock(.054) GM head gasket(for PTVC). I don't want to have to flycut...sorry guys.
The increased compression that the T2 allows, because of the thinner gasket should help low and midrange alot, but would the MS4 still make better numbers at the track?
The drivetrain setup would included a moser 12 bolt with 3.91 gears, 15 inch draglites with 275/50-15 DR's and a RAM HD clutch.
Thanks, James.
I am going to do TSP 5.3L stage 2.5 Heads with my current cam and a .045 cometic gasket, but I am considering swapping out my T2 for a cam such as the MS4 at the same time and running a stock(.054) GM head gasket(for PTVC). I don't want to have to flycut...sorry guys.
The increased compression that the T2 allows, because of the thinner gasket should help low and midrange alot, but would the MS4 still make better numbers at the track?
The drivetrain setup would included a moser 12 bolt with 3.91 gears, 15 inch draglites with 275/50-15 DR's and a RAM HD clutch.
Thanks, James.
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Originally Posted by chewy99ws6
I would go MS4, I have the MS3 and love it
....like;"The T2 would make better overall torque and horsepower and therefore win"
or
"The MS4 would pull the T2 on the big end, while only giving up a small amount of power down low"
...these are the two outcomes I would think would occur, but trying to see which one is correct.
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MS4 on a 111 LSA (240/242 .649/.61 is the closest I could get for the calculator to read it) with .052 gasket yields a 10.85 SCR and 7.86 DCR
T2 on a 112 LSA with .045 gasket yields a 11.04 SCR and 8.22 DCR
Can anybody give some kinda technical critique between the two setups and the possible outcomes I thought might occur?
T2 on a 112 LSA with .045 gasket yields a 11.04 SCR and 8.22 DCR
Can anybody give some kinda technical critique between the two setups and the possible outcomes I thought might occur?
Originally Posted by Dr. Jeckel
MS4 on a 111 LSA (240/242 .649/.61 is the closest I could get for the calculator to read it) with .052 gasket yields a 10.85 SCR and 7.86 DCR
T2 on a 112 LSA with .045 gasket yields a 11.04 SCR and 8.22 DCR
Can anybody give some kinda technical critique between the two setups and the possible outcomes I thought might occur?
T2 on a 112 LSA with .045 gasket yields a 11.04 SCR and 8.22 DCR
Can anybody give some kinda technical critique between the two setups and the possible outcomes I thought might occur?
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I don't want to sound like a jerk, but I'm getting just general blanket statements for pretty specific questions (atleast I believe they are).
I know that the MS4 is made for all out horsepower and that my Torquer is not. Question is which "setup", between these two, is gonna make the faster car in the quarter mile and I really am wanting technical data or facts to back the statement up.
btw, T3(had to use 232 - .643) shows the same DCR as the T2....wonder if DCR only calculated off of duration?
I know that the MS4 is made for all out horsepower and that my Torquer is not. Question is which "setup", between these two, is gonna make the faster car in the quarter mile and I really am wanting technical data or facts to back the statement up.
btw, T3(had to use 232 - .643) shows the same DCR as the T2....wonder if DCR only calculated off of duration?
Originally Posted by Dr. Jeckel
I'm don't want to sound like a jerk, but I'm getting just general blanket statements for pretty specific questions (atleast I believe they are).
I know that the MS4 is made for all out horsepower and that my Torquer is not. Question is which "setup", between these two, is gonna make the faster car in the quarter mile and I really am wanting technical data or facts to back the statement up.
btw, T3(had to use 232 - .643) shows the same DCR as the T2....wonder if DCR only calculated off of duration?
I know that the MS4 is made for all out horsepower and that my Torquer is not. Question is which "setup", between these two, is gonna make the faster car in the quarter mile and I really am wanting technical data or facts to back the statement up.
btw, T3(had to use 232 - .643) shows the same DCR as the T2....wonder if DCR only calculated off of duration?
You just need gear it right to keep the MS4 in its powerband to keep it hauling *** in all gears.
DCR is calculated using the position of the piston when the intake valve is at .006 on the closeing side of it.
if you want to try to see how they nehave differently, run the numbers through the DCr calculator and you will see the valve events.
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Thanks Brad, I know the increased duration allows the valves to stay open and more overlap allows more time to pull air into the cylinders, thus creating more power.
So even though the DCR is way down and it is obviously gonna make less torque through the low-midrange, you believe the MS4 with a stock head gasket will out perform the T2 setup, did I sum it up correctly?
Wanna make guesstimate on e.t. difference?
So even though the DCR is way down and it is obviously gonna make less torque through the low-midrange, you believe the MS4 with a stock head gasket will out perform the T2 setup, did I sum it up correctly?
Wanna make guesstimate on e.t. difference?
Originally Posted by Dr. Jeckel
Thanks Brad, I know the increased duration allows the valves to stay open and more overlap allows more time to pull air into the cylinders, thus creating more power.
So even though the DCR is way down and it is obviously gonna make less torque through the low-midrange, you believe the MS4 with a stock head gasket will out perform the T2 setup, did I sum it up correctly?
Wanna make guesstimate on e.t. difference?
So even though the DCR is way down and it is obviously gonna make less torque through the low-midrange, you believe the MS4 with a stock head gasket will out perform the T2 setup, did I sum it up correctly?
Wanna make guesstimate on e.t. difference?
If you take the same engine and and compare these 2 cams, the MS4 is a top end monster while the torquer will yield more down low power.
I believe there would be a significant difference of ET's between the 2 cams, how much is hard for me to say.
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Just found out my comparison is somewhat pointless, as I was reading I found a post where TSP said the 5.3 stage 2.5's will not work with the MS4 without flycutting. They will however work with the LS6 stage 1 heads; 11.71 SCR, 7.76 DCR.
Originally Posted by brad8266
DCR isnt really going to make much of a difference up high, you did say this is a track only car so dont worry about the low end power, your gear will keep the rpm's up high through the entire 1/4 mile.
If you take the same engine and and compare these 2 cams, the MS4 is a top end monster while the torquer will yield more down low power.
I believe there would be a significant difference of ET's between the 2 cams, how much is hard for me to say.
If you take the same engine and and compare these 2 cams, the MS4 is a top end monster while the torquer will yield more down low power.
I believe there would be a significant difference of ET's between the 2 cams, how much is hard for me to say.
i dissagree... he has a full weight race car. he will need all the TQ he can get to get out of the hole. thats where a race is won or lost. ask any racer whats more imporatant the first 60ft or the last 60ft to gettting you ET down. 60ft always wins. i would go the the smaller and thinnner gasket. better DDablity too. easier on the drivetrain not spinning high RPMs mainly clutch