Straight Line Performance

Decided to go ahead and buy heads, so I called Joe Prince and ordered a set from him. I have a TR 220 cam to go with them. Do you guys think 400 rwhp will be realistic? Here is the set-up the car will have,

2000 Z28 A4, Hooker LTs with Carsound cats, cut-out, lid, ported MAF, LS6 intake, ASP pulley,
PY4000E, and 3.23s.

Later,
Albert

JS

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You'll be close but threw an auto and cats?
I dont think so,More like 385RWHP.

JS
Cartek H/C
430/400 SAE corrected
11.14/1.47/122.01
3459lbs

10secondZ

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Hey JS,
I am VERY impressed with your set up...if you don't want to post it on the board thats cool but shoot me an e-mail with your cam specs and head specs....122mph on motor at 3400lbs is quite sick!i bairly hit 127mph on a wet 175 shot...i do have stock heads,intake and bottom end..but a meesly old hot cam lol I GOTTA know your specs man thats just outrageous <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

<small>[ October 31, 2002, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: 10secondZ ]</small>

John02SS

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Albert,
You have the cam I'm looking at! Looks like I will get to hear it before I buy it! Can't wait to see your car after the H/C package. Look out Mike! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

John

Tin Indian

Albert....

Keep us posted on how it works out. My setup will be basically like yours except my converter is not as loose (one of the original LS1 Yanks)

98 TA, A4, 3.23 with old Yank 10" 2,800
TEA or JPR heads with 2.02"/1.57" valves & 918 springs
TR-220 114 LSA
FLP LTs with cats and SLP dual/dual cat-back
LS6 intake
Whisper lid
Home ported MAF

"And a Partridge in a Pear Tree"!
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<small>[ November 01, 2002, 02:20 AM: Message edited by: Kimchee and Rice ]</small>

Tin Indian

Here is a post made by "badass 2002 z28"
(about what you have but a 'small' cam)
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The results were 398.5RWHP and 391.3RWTQ <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Not bad for some home ported heads and a little cam.

(2002 Z28 A4):

Mac headers
Off-road pipe
Borla cat back
Vig 3200
ASP pulley
Whisper lid
K&N filter
Home ported 160 thermo
Ported MAF
Ported throttle body
Ed Wright tuning
3.23 gears
Stock tranny
Stock rear end
Comp cam 212/218 .522/.527 114lsa
Home ported heads with stock valves
LS6 intake
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Don't know how he got those numbers, but if its all true, he sure has a good combo that should REALLY have good street manners.

I wonder how much he picked up after the Ed Wright tuning? Tuning must have been done on the dyno (not mail order)

StevieZ

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With Joe's stage 2s you should have NO problem getting 400+ at the rear wheels even with a relatively small cam like a 220, high flow cats and an A4.

ezss

I think 400 is realistic. You dont have the rear chewing up hp, so that kinda offsets the a4/cats to some degree.

Id highly recommend going to the TR224 cam though, while hes in there. Good luck, keep us posted.

JPR

Albert,
As you well know, I am new to S2 head porting, but the lowest S2 TR224 car with an A3 T400 4,200 stall with 3.73 gears dynoed 388/426 or 427? open without tunning (shiznity). The best A4 3.23 car has turned 411/397 unlocked (Dennis). I do alot more M6's than auto's and our M6's have gone as high as 432/408 so far with 10.5-1 with TR224 cams so I can almost gaurentee you will be over 400 rwh no problem locked or unlocked. JS, 385 rwh through conventional parts is a joke, I can do that with our S1 heads (especially our new ones) with a 224 cam through an A4. If "SilverTA" from LA gets on the dyno with his A4 TR224, it will back up what I am saying. To date, Stacey C. has dropped 6 tenths and gained 6 mph head change ONLY without dyno tunning.

Joe.

<small>[ November 01, 2002, 09:47 AM: Message edited by: JPR ]</small>

JS

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Stevie,How can u back up your claim.I know of ZERO 400RWHP catted,Auto equipped 220 cammed JPR car to date.Joe is making great progress and has a few open exhaust,non catted auto's making 400 w/a TR 224 but to say it should no problem is BS.

The guy asked a legit question.
385RW threw cats,auto,3.23's should be easy...

IMO who cares about dyno # anyway.Just race the damn car and have fun.Joe and I used to stick to this plan and I still think its the best way to get a good number.

Good luck Bro,385RW should no problem with your setup.But if u go TR 224 and get rid of those cats 400RW will be cake..

Joe I never said anything mean about your stuff so dont get paranoid like u did in Miriah's post.
But lets get real,running cats,220 CAM making 400RW?I dont know about that,I guess with 3.23's anythings poss?If u think u can do it thats great and I wish u the best.I know u can port very well.

Joe I'm curious though,who has 400RW threw an AUTO equipped JPR S2,CATTED,220 CAM as of TODAY?

JS

<small>[ November 01, 2002, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>

JPR

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Kimchee and Rice:
<strong>Here is a post made by "badass 2002 z28"
(about what you have but a 'small' cam)
_______________________________________________

The results were 398.5RWHP and 391.3RWTQ <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Not bad for some home ported heads and a little cam.

(2002 Z28 A4):

Mac headers
Off-road pipe
Borla cat back
Vig 3200
ASP pulley
Whisper lid
K&N filter
Home ported 160 thermo
Ported MAF
Ported throttle body
Ed Wright tuning
3.23 gears
Stock tranny
Stock rear end
Comp cam 212/218 .522/.527 114lsa
Home ported heads with stock valves
LS6 intake
_______________________________________________

Don't know how he got those numbers, but if its all true, he sure has a good combo that should REALLY have good street manners.

I wonder how much he picked up after the Ed Wright tuning? Tuning must have been done on the dyno (not mail order)</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey Kimchee,

I am a practicing pesimist by nature, but I have to tell you IMO this car represented above is not your "garden varity" S1 home port, I looked at his porting pix and you have to realize that the work was coached or done by an X employee of MTI? and I looked closley at the work and they have to be flowing in the high 290 area so home port back yard dremmel using a black and decker sanding board for the milling is not the case with that motor, BUT, I would like to see a dyno session personally to duplicate the numbers in front of me.

Joe.

The Alchemist

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JS, not to bust your stones, but I've been to quite a few dyno sessions at JD's recently of JPR cars because I am getting a set of his new heads as well. I will tell you for a fact that a lot of em are not on the board.

I can honestly say that I have never seen you there. Maybe I missed you, but I don't think I have. Its been a while since you were running JPR stuff and Joe has changed a lot in the past six to eight months.

Think of it this way, should I respond to a post about "x" shop's package when someone asks about it considering I have no current experience with it? I haven't.

Brien.

JPR

JS,
I have a reply for you by the end of the day. Too busy right now to sit here.
Joe.

JS

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Brien the guy asked a question.
I gave him an answer..

Can u or Joe tell me of ANY AUTOMATIC,CATTED,220 CAMMED JPR S2 cars running THREW exhaust that puts down 400RW as of today?I'm truelly curious about this Brien.IMO,that would be amazing.

Stevie just throws out a number without actually knowing what he's talking about too,Brien.I dont see u telling him he wasnt or hasnt been at JD's so how would he know what JPR is putting down..

Stevie = flapping gums

I'm not knocking anybody Brien..
This isnt a SHOP post so dont try and start one.
THE GUY ASKED A QUESTION,I gave him an opinion.

Now do I BELIEVE Joe can do this,ABSOLUTELY!!!
Joe can port,If he plays with a combo long enough anythings poss.The guy never sleeps <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Everythings good and I wish u sensative,paranoid people the best,GEEZ <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

JS

The Alchemist

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Trust me JS, it was no knock against me, I'm far from sensitive... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

But how much would I get bashed if you changed it from JPR to cartek and I responded the same way?

For example a guy recently posted for sale a set of cartek S2 heads and cam that he claimed made 417hp and 38x tq but he said it was never on a dyno? Explain that.... I didn't even go near that post.
https://ls1tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...=007293#000000

That's all.

<small>[ November 01, 2002, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: The Alchemist ]</small>

JPR

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
<strong>Stevie,How can u back up your claim.I know of ZERO 400RWHP catted,Auto equipped 220 cammed JPR car to date.Joe is making great progress and has a few open exhaust,non catted auto's making 400 w/a TR 224 but to say it should no problem is BS.

The guy asked a legit question,385RW threw cats,auto,3.23's should be easy...

IMO who cares about dyno # anyway.Just race the damn car and have fun.Joe and I used to stick to this plan and I still think its the best way to get a good number.

Good luck Bro,385RW should no problem with your setup.But if u go TR 224 and get rid of those cats 400RW will be cake..

Joe I never said anything mean about your stuff so dont get paranoid like u did in Miriah's post.

But lets get real,running cats,220 CAM making 400RW?I dont know about that,I guess with 3.23's anythings poss?If u think u can do it thats great and I wish u the best.I know u can port very well.

Joe I'm curious though,who has 400RW threw an AUTO equipped JPR S2,CATTED,220 CAM as of TODAY?

JS</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Here it is, thanks for wasting my time.

1, I NEVER make a practice of dynoing open exhaust except for only one car, Shiznitty, that wasn't my call and it was an open Mac Y AND it was mentioned in his dyno post so there are no secrets there. All my cars besides that one are through cut out's or customers cat back systems or stock dual dual exhaust still hittin as high as 422 rwh M6, ask ezss how LEGIT I am with dyno tunning!

2, I just mentioned that I am new to porting the S2's and I have more S2 M6's out there than A4's so give "SilerTA"'s A4 a chance to get on the dyno at Thunder Racing.

3, save the word "parinoid" for the other forum, I am very secure with my work. when was the last time someone bought a set of my heads and dynoed 380 anything through an M6 or an A4 for that matter? S1 or S2 umm never.

4, You know where I was going with Miriah now that you brought it up, I was poised to tear her ET and dyno numbers apart because of a comment she made to one of my customers a while back. But recently, I felt she came into a post discussion between you and I with no rhyme or reason and laughed (Haha) and left her sig on the way out, then you came in a calmed things down so I relaxed. Sorry, but 113mph and 417rwh don't mix in a Formula, anyone will agree with that. My one M6 S2 Formula went 11.71 @ 121 mph with a "green" driver. "Sbiker@AOL.com" only dynoed 411rwh and ran 11.92 with high 116 to low 117mph with stock gears and stock converter with stock weight WS6 on stock F1 tires on a 2.0 60 foot mark with your old S1 heads re-worked, I thought it was a good S2 vs S2 comparison. For Christ sakes! my A4 Camaro trapps 113 with NO heads, Z06 cam and intake with no headers with the stock pipes and gears in the car.

Quote..

"Joe I'm curious though,who has 400RW threw an AUTO equipped JPR S2,CATTED,220 CAM as of TODAY?"

Haven't done that combo yet, repeat, I don't have alot of S2 A4's out there yet.

Good day, this was a perfect waste of 15 minuits to re-butt. Stay out of my customers posts if you have nothing constructive to say. Don't you dare screw with my customers! especially Steve that drives all the way down from Canada for service 2 times now!

Joe.

<small>[ November 01, 2002, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: JPR ]</small>

JS

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Barry are u running an auto w/Cats and a 220 cam
NO YOUR NOT!!

Slowhawk,u have a 6sp.
We were talking auto's....

Brien ,Me holding on,Not hardly...
I'll ask a legit question again...

BRIEN do u know of any JPR cars that've beaten my OLD times.I mean the way u talk about JPR I would figure you'd know at least 1 person with ANY JPR N/A H/C package thats run better than my 1yr old S1/224 cammed 11.36@117 setup?Something tells me,your gonna be hard pressed to find one <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

C ya buddy..
JS

Terry Burger

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
JS----> Still "Quickest" JPR H/C car to date
11.36@117 12/01 -1600DA
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JS----> Currently running CARTEK S2X
11.14@122 4/02 -234DA
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now JS you have to be fair! Your new setup has a much larger cam, more expensive LS6 heads, higher CR, long tubes, and the car is a lot lighter too.

StevieZ

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Stevie = flapping gums </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">JS= flapping cheeks!
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Guess Stevie & Brien are a little mis-informed..
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I never said I knew that Joe had that combo out there but seeing as Albert was going to run high flow cats, he should have no problem hitting 400+ at the wheels with Joes S2 heads + a decent cam. There are M6 cars with those heads that are making as much as 430!+ at the wheels . Hell my car is trapping 118mph with Joe's stage 1 heads and a 221 cam and That is with a set of rings that are toast! I'll let Albert's numbers speak for themselves after he dyno's the car. How much money do you want to bet that Joe's S2 heads will be 400+ rather than 385 or less on Alberts car?? I'm willing to bet a couple of C notes!

<small>[ November 01, 2002, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: StevieZ ]</small>

JS

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Here's the real info Terry...

JPR 3552 VS Cartek 3545
JPR S1 (ported like 2)VS Cartek S2 LS6
Cam specs (Carteks 224-224 573-573 113)
Cam specs (TR 224-224 561-561 112)
Gears JPR 3.73 VS Cartek 4.10
Tire JPR 26in VS Cartek 28in
Verters JPR Yank 4400 VS Cartek VIG 3800
Tuned by Julio on both setups...

Not that different other than the heads...
But -240 VS -1600 DA's are bro <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Its all good guys,I just was giving an opinion.
I say 385RW,Steve sez 400+..

If I'm wrong
I'll buy everyone dinner----------->.99 buffet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Just kiddin,Chicken/Ribs are on me at that great place by E-Town...

Okay.....JS

<small>[ November 01, 2002, 01:55 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>