The Dragon

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If I don't go with the ASA nasty cam, I'd go in the opposite direction with a sleeper cam.
Ofcourse I'd be using these S2's:
Ferrea Competition Valves (2.02"/1.57")
- Comp 918 Springs
- Machined Locks, Valve Guides, and Retainers
Lift | Intake | Exhaust

100 / 63 / 57
200 / 145 / 106
300 / 215 / 149
400 / 259 / 192
450 / 275 / 207
500 / 284 / 219
550 / 292 / 223
600 / 301 / 225
Any feedback? Thanks guys!

<small>[ November 18, 2002, 10:47 AM: Message edited by: The Dragon ]</small>

PewterEllis1

I don't know if a cam that will make that power could be a sleeper cam, but I believe JPR has said they can make close to that with their S2 heads and a TR 224. That's not a huge cam compared to what is out nowadays.

J-Rod

You might look at the sleeper cam that Patrick G was talking about from TR

Linear Velocity

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I don't know what your definition of "sleeper" is, but yes a TR 224 would make good power although you are going to need a higher lift cam to fully take advantage of of those flows numbers. My old cam was a 227/227 .591/.591 113 lsa and it idled/sounded great with tuning, couldn't really tell a difference from my a couple of my buddies who both had the TR224 cam. Honestly I don't think you;ll see 430rwhp with the tr 224 cam though; I'd go with the GTP pig cam 226/226 .591/.591 but on a 113 or 114 LSA. Just my .02 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

VINCE

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Who did your heads again?

xp3nd4bl3

I agree with Silver Surfer, you might need more cam than the TR224 to make 430. Just keep the lsa up (114 range) and it should still be a good sleeper, IMO.

VINCE

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The reason why I asked who did your heads..? The flow #'s mean nothing if this was not done by a reputable head porter.. The head porter usually knows what cam would work with their heads. If not.. Hmmmmm.. For example... Futral Motorsports heads like 226 cams.. TEA heads like big reverse splits. JPR's heads like the TR224 cam or smaller. MTI's heads have shown to like the single pattern cams better, but do work with Reverse Splits.. Cartek heads like 224 to 226 from what I've been told.. GTP heads seem to like the TR224 cams and going with a Reverse Split is worth another 5 to 10rwhp over the TR224. ARE heads like huge cams over 228 Intake. The above is what I have seen on this board and what I have witnessed myself.. Your flow #'s look awesome. Your midrange #'s are especially great. Peak horsepower means nothing on the street when your opponent has more midrange power.. I would look for a cam that is going to give you more midrange. Let the high horsepower guy play catch up.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Smoke_ur_5.0

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b1 with GTPs will work fine

Smoke_ur_5.0

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b1 with GTPs will work fine. We got 420rwhp with these heads and cam with cats on it.

VINCE

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I forgot to include Rapid.. Sorry.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Sears

A TR224 and GTP heads got me 441rwhp! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Just put a quite exhaust on for your sleeper cam effect. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Justin

John B

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430RWHP is a stretch with something other than the "old man cam" when it comes to sleeper cams.

Personally I believe that the B1 is about as big of a "sleeper" cam that can claim close to 430RWHP. I am surprised by the number of people that think a TR224 is a sleeper cam. My definition of a "sleeper cam" is one that fires right up, no idle hunt, idles similar to stock, requires no idle tuning, no throttle body hole enlargement and the acid test is letting your wife or girl friend drive it. If it is a manual trans they should be able to drive it without issues and I'm not really sure if the TR224 meets all of these criteria. I know my B1 does but I could be wrong about the TR224 based on what I have seen. And trust me, no flames against the TR224...this is a killer cam, I just don't think it qualifies as a "sleeper" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

TXCAMSS

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I can definitely pass the acid test. My wife drives her car daily with the C1 Hammer cam and not a single person noticed that I had changed the cam during a local gathering including some veteran LS1tech members. I think the Dynomax ultra flow welded muffler helped, but I only dyno'd 408 RWHP. That was with aconfused PCM after Heads install and No dyno tricks, locked up converter or anything, so I would estimate a real dyno number to be close to 420-430 RWHP. The wife turned a 11.0X with 1.49 60 fts through a ST3500 at 120.75 mph. This cam is a .222/.566 on a lc of 112. It doesn't search or stall a bit. Good luck on your sleeper cam search.

Pro Stock John

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To me a 'sleeper' cam is cam you cannot hear, or is virtually unnoticeable.

In that vein, a 218, 220, 221, or 222 single pattern camshaft with a 114 LSA is a a sleeper cam.

Now if I was gonna install a cam to completely fake out folks, I would do a 220/220//115+2 M6 or 220/220//115 +4 A4 cam shaft. FWIW 218 single pattern stuff is invisible.

The Dragon

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These heads are from a New Jersey co. Called TTPerformance. Matt already has a set ready to ship for me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

They flow-bench test 'em . . . just ran into a FedEx SCREW up tryin' to get the last set <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />

What about reverse-split cams?? I have Edit and access to dyno-tuning for $100/hr.

Big Mike

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Your looking for 430+ rwhp with Stage II heads and LS1 Edit. The "B1" cam gets my vote!

99 Black Bird T/A

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by The Dragon:
<strong>These heads are from a New Jersey co. Called TTPerformance. Matt already has a set ready to ship for me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">JMHO

Heads

The real key to 430+rwhp is the heads more so than the specific cam.

What type of power did the last set of TTPerformance heads make? What kind of cam? Know more details like that might help with cam selection for you set up. If they get sketchy about providing you with solid info and maybe a reference or dyno graph show rwhp, I'd select a different set of heads from one of thoses guys over there>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Other sleeper factors

I think getting good tuning and a quiet cat back will be just as important for your application as cam selection. Stock external appearance helps lull some folks too. However, with the looks a 4th Gen FireHawk has there isn't much sleeper about the car regardless of cam selection or quiet exhaust.

Cams

I think you can find new grinds with a little more potential than the good old B1.

I think no lower than 114 LSA.

The XE lobed Hammer/Go Fast TA on a 114 might be pretty decent. The same 222/222 XE-R on a 114 would make more power, but the valve train would probably make more noise.

A TR-220 on a 114 LSA with an excellent set of heads might get you very close to your goal too. The TR-220 might be installed with less advance maybe 2 degrees instead of the usually 4 to push the peak hp a tad higher...might get you a few rwhp.

<small>[ November 19, 2002, 06:31 PM: Message edited by: 99 Black Bird T/A ]</small>