Driveability between T224/224 & 230/224
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Driveability between T224/224 & 230/224 My car is mainly for the street, strip about 15 runs a season. It is a DAILY DRIVER for 6-7 months out of the year.
Between the 224/224 & the 230/224, what are differences in daily driving? Is the surging realy bad w/the 230/224? Does the car want to die out at stop lights?
My car is a 2001 SS, M6 - I WILL have tuning and throttle blade drilled out w/either of these cams.
Thanks in advance.
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<small>[ January 29, 2003, 08:30 PM: Message edited by: ChiTownSS ]</small>
Between the 224/224 & the 230/224, what are differences in daily driving? Is the surging realy bad w/the 230/224? Does the car want to die out at stop lights?
My car is a 2001 SS, M6 - I WILL have tuning and throttle blade drilled out w/either of these cams.
Thanks in advance.
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<small>[ January 29, 2003, 08:30 PM: Message edited by: ChiTownSS ]</small>
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Re: Driveability between T224/224 & 230/224 I have used both of these cams for awhile and there was really not a huge difference in driveability between them. The most noticeable difference was in parking lots. The TR224 would buck slightly around 1000rpms with your foot off the gas and in 1st gear. The TR230 would do this around 1300 rpms. You do get used to it very quickly and it never bothered me in the least. Other than this, I had no stalling/surging issues when coming to a stop with either cam. I did have my TB hole drilled out, but did retain the stock idle speed.
Justin (Jsears8) has had both cams and can probably give some other differences as well.
Justin (Jsears8) has had both cams and can probably give some other differences as well.
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Re: Driveability between T224/224 & 230/224 I have a comp 230/228 and I had a TR224, and like the other guy said, not a huge difference. There is a much bigger difference between stock and the 224 than the 224 and the 230.
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Re: Driveability between T224/224 & 230/224 I have also had both os the listed cams in my car.
Like jason said, very similar. The lope and idle are slightly tamer with the 224 and the bucking occurs at a slightly higher rpm with the 230.
Justin
Like jason said, very similar. The lope and idle are slightly tamer with the 224 and the bucking occurs at a slightly higher rpm with the 230.
Justin
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Re: Driveability between T224/224 & 230/224 Guys w/the 230/224 are shifting at 6800rpms, right? Isn't that 300 or 400 more rpms than people shift at with the 224/224?
If the driveability change is minimal and the area under the curve seems to be basically the same, than would it be safe to say that I should go with the 230/224 and shift earlier than 6800 (because I really don't want to spin my motor that high) but in case I need the extra power, that the 230/224 would give me, than I could spin the motor up to 6800 for maximum power & e.t. when I really needed it (in a race).
Sorry for the run-on sentence <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> , but do you know what I mean <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
Thanks
If the driveability change is minimal and the area under the curve seems to be basically the same, than would it be safe to say that I should go with the 230/224 and shift earlier than 6800 (because I really don't want to spin my motor that high) but in case I need the extra power, that the 230/224 would give me, than I could spin the motor up to 6800 for maximum power & e.t. when I really needed it (in a race).
Sorry for the run-on sentence <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> , but do you know what I mean <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
Thanks
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Re: Driveability between T224/224 & 230/224 I shift at 6500 with my limiter at 6800 so I can cross the traps. You don't HAVE to shift it at 6800 but you might gain slightly doing so. I think Jason takes his a little higher. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I shifted my TR224 at 6400 with limiter at 6600.
Justin
I shifted my TR224 at 6400 with limiter at 6600.
Justin
Re: Driveability between T224/224 & 230/224 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ChiTownSS:
<strong>. . . 6800rpms . . . Isn't that 300 or 400 more rpms than people shift at with the 224/224 . . . </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not hear <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />
I have a damn near flat power curve from 5200 to 6700 rpm's.
I shift at 6700 with a 6800 redline <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<strong>. . . 6800rpms . . . Isn't that 300 or 400 more rpms than people shift at with the 224/224 . . . </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not hear <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />
I have a damn near flat power curve from 5200 to 6700 rpm's.
I shift at 6700 with a 6800 redline <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: Driveability between T224/224 & 230/224 I have a question... Of course I am a stock internal guy and I have not installed any cams to date.But soon I am getting a large cam and some ls1 heads.What is this bucking that you are talking about?
I drove a WS6 with ARE S2 heads with a TR224 cam and didnt notice anything out of the ordinary.But he did have a Ram clutch and it didnt slip like the stock one does (stalled it going into the burnout box). After the embarassment I made a pass and went 5 tenths faster than the owner's best <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> .
Help a internal mod newbie out.
I drove a WS6 with ARE S2 heads with a TR224 cam and didnt notice anything out of the ordinary.But he did have a Ram clutch and it didnt slip like the stock one does (stalled it going into the burnout box). After the embarassment I made a pass and went 5 tenths faster than the owner's best <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> .
Help a internal mod newbie out.
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Re: Driveability between T224/224 & 230/224 This is all very good to know! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: Driveability between T224/224 & 230/224 With larger aftermarket cams this "bucking" is common. It happens when you are in gear and let your foot off the gas, when the rpms get really low ( 1000-1300 ) the car "bucks" or basiclly jerks back and forth like a mad bull. <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />
Easy solution to avoid this is to push in the clutch. You learn to drive around it and it's no big deal.
Justin
Easy solution to avoid this is to push in the clutch. You learn to drive around it and it's no big deal.
Justin
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Re: Driveability between T224/224 & 230/224 You can run the TR230 with stock heads no problem. I run it with 5.3L heads milled .015 and have approx .080 p/v clearance.
4.10s is the gear I run but I have ported heads also, so I MPH higher. With a 26" tire it is the PERFECT gear IMO. I cross the traps right at 6500rpms on 26x10x15 MT slicks.
Jason runs 4.56 gear and 28" MT slick. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Justin
4.10s is the gear I run but I have ported heads also, so I MPH higher. With a 26" tire it is the PERFECT gear IMO. I cross the traps right at 6500rpms on 26x10x15 MT slicks.
Jason runs 4.56 gear and 28" MT slick. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Justin
