Snyper

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My friends got an 04 Z06 with just a catback and wants to cam it...she wants something small like a TR224. Would she be ok with just that cam/springs/retainers without any headers or anything else and would it really make any difference??

SchultzLT1

iTrader: (5)

Can you cam a stock car? yes...

Should you? no...

If your looking to spend the big $$ for a cam swap, you might as well just spend the extra little bit and throw in the headers and intake.

full intake and exhaust at least first is most recommended.

gts500

if you wanna see a real diffrent on that setup, pick the Cheater cam from TR .

its works verey well on stock exhaust and it will put more power in future if she will have more mods in it.

good luck.

Evans752

iTrader: (29)

I wouldnt put a stock 224 cam in the cam that came in that car dont sound as mean but if you are going to change cams go for the gusto. In my opion I wouldn't waist my time unless I was going to pick up 20 to 30 hp and mile an hor out the back door. I have a stock LS6 I purchased back in 2003 in my camaro and I put the C2 cam from MTI and I love MTIs stuff but it was a waste of time and money. Good Luck

slow trap

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if she is just wanting more power lts,cai and tune should do it but if she is wanting that cam sound then something like a 224 or 228 on a 114 should work halfway decent on stock manifolds but i personally would do lts first imo.

Sigforty

I would say go fourth with the mod and choose something like the cheater directed toward use with the stock exhaust.

99reddevilFRC

ive used small cams (220-220/224-224) in cars that had stock manifolds and still made great power 30-40rw, but since she has a cam thats worth 12-15 i would think she would pick up the diffrence, makes since. not to mention C 5 manifolds outflow f bodies a little. my frc trapped 116-117 300 DA before any mods and 118 w LS 6 intake. so i always thought the manifold story was true. oh btw frc's weigh 3070.

99blancoSS

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tr224 is a great cam. Dont listen to bone heads who just dont know. You will need long tube headers though, thats kind of a must with cam but the cheatr cam as suggested was made for stock heads and exhaust so that is an option as well. Tr 224 puts down more avg HP and tq than most cams from 226-232. It might lose on the peak but that the only place it loses on the dyno. It a great street cam. IMHO the best street cam out there off the shelf.

And yes it would make a big difference

Snyper

iTrader: (27)

yeah, well we found a cam.. 224/228 with a 58x/58x(cant remember) on a 113....shes more into the "sex appeal" of the car and wants a little lope to the car without going overboard..and she'd like a little extra power...now for the guy up top saying for all that extra money she should go with headers too..i guess hes never looked at the prices for the headers for those cars. We can have the cam in the car all said and done for around 600$ whereas headers are well over 1000$..eventually she will be getting those..just doesnt want to go crazy yet.

Tainted

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bolt ons are there for a reason. they help you build up a strong base for bigger mods for things like a cam. doing a cam without the essential is jsut choking it and defeating its purpose.

RedLT4Mike

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The Z06 exhaust is much better than an fbody exhaust
across the board.

The manifolds are pretty much just a cast iron
mid-length header, and it's got duals from the
factory.

A small cam would be JUST FINE.

Some people just can't shake the
"go big or go home" mentality.

ERIK@MASPORT

iTrader: (32)

Wow, did you say '04 Z06 and SHE.....man what a combo!
Oh yeah- add the cam! Just be aware that without all supporting mods you won't get every horsepower out of it, but big deal, it'll haul *** nevertheless.

Erik

davered00ss

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1. 04 exhaust manifolds flow as well as shorty headers
2. 243 casting Z06 heads flow great
3. Check out the Thunder racing Cheater cam. It is made for stock manifolds.
4. To get everything out of it do headers. you will probably see more gains from a set of Kooks long tube headers than the cam. Also I see you are in CT. PM Slowhawk, or call Dez Racingin Seakonk MA. Don Kinder (AKA Slowhawk) does a lot with vettes. Don is one of the best tunners on the east coast.

Snyper

iTrader: (27)

Defeating the purpose of what? So your telling me the cam will make absolutely NO difference whatsoever? The car is her summer daily driver..shes not a race car driver and will never bring it to the track.

z28ss4me

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I think either TR224 or CheaTR will do you just fine. You'll probably get more out of the CheaTR on stock manifold, but if you later intend to add headers definately go TR224!

Not definate but heres a comparo:

TR224 stock manifolds = 30hp
CheaTR stock manifolds = 40 hp

add another 15-20 hp on either one of those for a good tune.

Now, add headers and you might see 20-30 more out of the CheaTR, but the TR224 - Maybe 50+ more hp

Total CheaTR+headers+tune = 80 hp
Total TR224+header+tune = 100hp

Note: Numbers are merely used as an example and are purely guesswork you may see considerably more or less than those numbers, but difference between how the two combos stack up are what I was trying to show, so the difference may actually be even more with the TR224 once it has headers and a tune.

Word of caution, you go with a .58x lift or more your valvetrain is going to take a beating (i.e. CheaTR cam or the one your mentioned) the TR224 from ThunderRacing only uses a .56X lift so the valvetrain will endure much less abuse, thus making it a better daily driver.

Oh yea, if lope you want, put that TR224 on a 112 LSA and lope you'll get.

Tainted

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no, a cam will still gain her power, but without all the bolt ons shes defeating the purpose of getting the maximum power out of it. she cant get enough air in and out to really let the cam shine. that in my eyes is defeating a purpose of something like a cam. its b build-up kind of mod. you jsut dont throw it on a stock car or one thats almost stock.

z28ss4me

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I agree with you, but I'm in Tree huggin' cali, so my TR224 goes in next weeken with stock heads, manifolds, and cats, sometime you just don't have any other options.

Zero4488

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Go with the cam, cause then she'll just be a step ahead when she gets other mods...

Ragtop 99

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Go for it. Use a cam designed with stock manifolds in mind. The CheaTR is a great cam, but certainly not the be all/end all of stock manifold cams. I've had good success with my car with stock manifolds and a cam.

Headers are a worthwhile mod if she wants ultimately to get to 400+ HP. If she wants 30 rwhp and more torque along with the ability to pass visual emissions inspection, a cam will do just fine.

GMmexican

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$600 seems a bit low for all the stuff required for a cam swap....springs,pushrods,tune,gaskets etc