cam choice 231/237 or MS3
cam choice 231/237 or MS3 I am planning on ordering a tsp 231/237 cam next week, but i also like the tsp Magic Stick 3 Cam. Im a daily driver. Does anybody know about the drive_ability of this cam, and dyno numbers??
I had the 233/239 made 5 less hp then a buddies ms3 with same mods on same dyno and tuner. This cam drives awesome, may want to consider this one I put down 410rwhp thru kooks, cut out ,12bolt, fast 78, and pulley
damn what else u got just cam only?? think the 231/237 can get over 400 with just full bolt ons?
i would do the 231/237 for daily driver/driveability........
my ms3 is pretty choppy and in a m6 it doesnt make power to get moving till about 2300-2500 rpm
with either cam you get good numbers.....ms3 would be nice with some n20
my ms3 is pretty choppy and in a m6 it doesnt make power to get moving till about 2300-2500 rpm
with either cam you get good numbers.....ms3 would be nice with some n20
i was going to get this cam as well... 233/239... and thats a pretty good number you got!!!
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i'm going with the MS3 why cut threw the chase, hey why settle for less, add some juice later and run for some money....on the street, track, alleys, where ever..............lol....
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i'm going with the MS3 why cut threw the chase, hey why settle for less, add some juice later and run for some money....on the street, track, alleys, where ever..............lol....
ported heads
4.10's
and more goodies.....stk susp..for now....(thats not good)
tci 3600 stally
stang beater.....
ported heads
4.10's
and more goodies.....stk susp..for now....(thats not good)
tci 3600 stally
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I have an MS3 in my car with stock stall & gears and drives fine. A friend of mine tuned it with the wide-band. Drivability is great, i guess i really comes down to who tunes ur car and parts installer.
i would consider "settling" more like -30hp under ms3. 5-15, you can make that up in a lauch, shift, etc. nothing to consider a "downgrade". and the ms3 has been called a dog in down low rpms by many enthusiasts on here and more of a "peak" cam, as opposed to the power distributed evenly through the curve and wakes up earlier down low than an ms3, si5 - 231/237
I have the ms4, I'm not gonna unfairly compare it against other cams, as many others make awesome numbers as well. What I will tell you is that so much is in the tune. My ms4 is perfectly streetable in my m6 from 1,500rpm +. But it doesn't really hit the powerband until 4k when it takes off like a bat outta hell. It works for me because the engine only see's less than 4k rpm for a split second while launching.
Just remember, choosing a cam also includes choosing the right supporting mods. A 224 cam and ms3 may make similar #s on stock heads and ls6 intake. But a set of AFRs and a FAST 90 would put the ms3 way ahead.
Just remember, choosing a cam also includes choosing the right supporting mods. A 224 cam and ms3 may make similar #s on stock heads and ls6 intake. But a set of AFRs and a FAST 90 would put the ms3 way ahead.
Neither cam, both aren't that great. Do a custom grind for your application that way there will no disappointments. Good luck..
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i would consider "settling" more like -30hp under ms3. 5-15, you can make that up in a lauch, shift, etc. nothing to consider a "downgrade". and the ms3 has been called a dog in down low rpms by many enthusiasts on here and more of a "peak" cam, as opposed to the power distributed evenly through the curve and wakes up earlier down low than an ms3, si5 - 231/237
how can you say that neither are that great when a great number of people ask what cam.... torquer 2, 231/237, ms3, 228, tr224, f14,?? they both are some of the most proven cams out there and have a fair consistency of putting out over 400hp cam only. while i admit that patrick g's custom grinds are unsurpassed, there are many kick *** over the counter cams that can perform just as well, as long as you do your research.
I didn't realize that there was that much of a difference in peak. I've not seen that much, but I've seen a whole lot of dynos. I'd rather have the more even distribution than having the engine not wake up until the high RPM range. Probably cause my car isn't a drag car, as you can probably gather from my mods list...heh. But that's personal preference without testing. I need to ride/drive in a car with both MS3/MS4 type cams and the lower duration cams made to pull more evenly.
i agree with you in the even distribution of power through the whole rpm range which is why i voted for the 231/237.
nice 3rd gen btw!
