Comp 230/230/112 and G5X2 Comparison
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232/240...but at that point you can only make so much horsepower with the CFM the stock heads flow no matter how big of a cam...but with ported heads you would see horsepower gains on the g5x2
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I think this is as close as you can get without using the same car to test the results from these two cams. It is also a good comparison for someone who wants the most out of a cam with no intention of getting heads in the future. Nearly 400 rwhp on stock heads is amazing. I agree with the above posts in that the G5X2 will probably see better numbers with ported heads (that match the cam) than the 230/230 would.
As for the drivability of the G5X2 on stock programming... if you like surging, hunting for idle, bad hot starts, I guess it is fine.
As for the drivability of the G5X2 on stock programming... if you like surging, hunting for idle, bad hot starts, I guess it is fine.
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IMHO for a given intake lobe if you have say a 230/224 or 230/230 or a 230/240 etc. the power and torque numbers are always going to be very similar. The difference between any of the cams will be from the exhaust pipes (headers). I can't seem to get anyone to seem to understand that. A single pattern cam or a conventional split pattern 'might' work better through a closed exhaust system with the typical headers being used nowdays however once you run open headers watch what happens to your lowend. It's gone! From what we have seen with a reverse split you still keep a fat lowend while running open headers. I think there is no right or wrong answer with these cams as long as there properly matched to the exhaust system.
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The intake duration and intake valve closing points are a big factor in determining power output.
Also a bigger cam tends to work BETTER on LOWER flowing heads in comparision to a cam of smaller size on the same heads.
It allows the intake/exhaust valves to stay open longer to both ingest and expel more air through the motor. (rough analogy but you get the picture)
Also a bigger cam tends to work BETTER on LOWER flowing heads in comparision to a cam of smaller size on the same heads.
It allows the intake/exhaust valves to stay open longer to both ingest and expel more air through the motor. (rough analogy but you get the picture)
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Mikey,
Good job.
There are a couple of things that we found with the tuning of the G5X-2 cam that will probably help the hp/tq numbers. As we all know, the cams are very different, and because of that, there are some changes that we made in the tuning that brought out more from the G5X-2 package, Give me a call, and we can talk about the tune. I would be glad to share the info with you.
Just a couple of key points that come to mind.
* What were the before numbers on both cars?
The before numbers will show differences
in the drive line losses.
* Did both cars have new spark plugs installed
with the cam install?
* How many miles on each car.
There are so many small differences that can affect the numbers like this.
We all know that no 2 cars are exactly the same. The graph above 5700 is pretty ragged on the 230 cam, which means it is struggling. But the G5X-2 is smooth, which in my book means that there is more to be had. And we know this from our experience.
If I tested an LG Cam on one car and a competitors cam on another car, Just like this test. Even with very similar cars. And I reported it on this forum, We would all say that it is hard to draw a real conclusion based upon 2 different cars on 2 different days.
Mikey, we can talk tomorrow.
Thanks
Lou Gigliotti LGM 972-272-7753
This thread has good information, and will make us all think about the cause and effect, so don't turn this into a flame fest. Thanks LG
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Mikey,
Good job.
There are a couple of things that we found with the tuning of the G5X-2 cam that will probably help the hp/tq numbers. As we all know, the cams are very different, and because of that, there are some changes that we made in the tuning that brought out more from the G5X-2 package, Give me a call, and we can talk about the tune. I would be glad to share the info with you.
Just a couple of key points that come to mind.
* What were the before numbers on both cars?
The before numbers will show differences
in the drive line losses.
* Did both cars have new spark plugs installed
with the cam install?
* How many miles on each car.
There are so many small differences that can affect the numbers like this.
We all know that no 2 cars are exactly the same. The graph above 5700 is pretty ragged on the 230 cam, which means it is struggling. But the G5X-2 is smooth, which in my book means that there is more to be had. And we know this from our experience.
If I tested an LG Cam on one car and a competitors cam on another car, Just like this test. Even with very similar cars. And I reported it on this forum, We would all say that it is hard to draw a real conclusion based upon 2 different cars on 2 different days.
Mikey, we can talk tomorrow.
Thanks
Lou Gigliotti LGM 972-272-7753
This thread has good information, and will make us all think about the cause and effect, so don't turn this into a flame fest. Thanks LG
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The difference appears to be that the 230/230 cam is running an XE-R lobe which has a much more aggressive ramp rate and higher lift than the average 230/230 XE lobe that most people use. The XE-R lobe has 5 more duration at .200 and .300 lift than a similar cam using XE lobe. Its a little tougher on the valve train and will not idle as well but overall will make more power. Also, more importantly is the valve events of a cam and whether it was degreed to maximize the valve events. I went with a 220/220 with a XE-R intake lobe and a XE lobe on the exhuat. I have .581 lift on the intake side. I makes much more power than the TR220 at 200 less rpms because of my valve event and the lsa I chose. There is a lot to cams that many people dont know. For example, my cam has more lift and duration on the intake side through .400 lift and will outperform it.
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The XE-R lobe has 5 more duration at .200 and .300 lift than a similar cam using XE lobe. Its a little tougher on the valve train and will not idle as well but overall will make more power.
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This thread has good information, and will make us all think about the cause and effect, so don't turn this into a flame fest. Thanks LG
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Mikey, I have my own ls1edit, & i'm wondering if you could email me to see what you could do for me as far as dyno tuning or just tuning?
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I am considering a cam and have a question about both dyno curves...why is there a noticeable dip in the tq and hp from 3500 to 4500rpm (358 tq and 268 hp ?) the curves have distinctly different patterns before and after this anomily????
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I do not see what is so special about his heads.He has LS6 heads,full bolton cars,HIS TUNING and he make the same power as my LS1 headed car that is not a full bolton.
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Well put Lou. My point exactly.
There are just too many variables to compare 2 different cars, no matter how close in mods they are.
Drive many, do you? ![Rolleyes](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/rolleyes.gif)
My point was that for as big a cam as it is, it's mannerisms (even on the stock program) are pretty incredible. I didn't say it was perfect.
What are you comparing it to? Your stock cam?
There are just too many variables to compare 2 different cars, no matter how close in mods they are.
As for the drivability of the G5X2 on stock programming... if you like surging, hunting for idle, bad hot starts, I guess it is fine.
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My point was that for as big a cam as it is, it's mannerisms (even on the stock program) are pretty incredible. I didn't say it was perfect.
What are you comparing it to? Your stock cam?
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ScreaminSS01: did I miss something here? You seem to have a grudge against LG or their products for some reason. I've read this thread a couple times and you seem to be the only one with something negative to say. I fail to see how you can say your car isn't a full bolt on car, the only thing it looks like you're missing is a lid???
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Hi Guys, We're not scared. ![Winky](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_wink.gif)
Mikey,
Good job.
There are a couple of things that we found with the tuning of the G5X-2 cam that will probably help the hp/tq numbers. As we all know, the cams are very different, and because of that, there are some changes that we made in the tuning that brought out more from the G5X-2 package, Give me a call, and we can talk about the tune. I would be glad to share the info with you.
Just a couple of key points that come to mind.
* What were the before numbers on both cars?
The before numbers will show differences
in the drive line losses.
* Did both cars have new spark plugs installed
with the cam install?
* How many miles on each car.
There are so many small differences that can affect the numbers like this.
We all know that no 2 cars are exactly the same. The graph above 5700 is pretty ragged on the 230 cam, which means it is struggling. But the G5X-2 is smooth, which in my book means that there is more to be had. And we know this from our experience.
If I tested an LG Cam on one car and a competitors cam on another car, Just like this test. Even with very similar cars. And I reported it on this forum, We would all say that it is hard to draw a real conclusion based upon 2 different cars on 2 different days.
Mikey, we can talk tomorrow.
Thanks
Lou Gigliotti LGM 972-272-7753
This thread has good information, and will make us all think about the cause and effect, so don't turn this into a flame fest. Thanks LG
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Mikey,
Good job.
There are a couple of things that we found with the tuning of the G5X-2 cam that will probably help the hp/tq numbers. As we all know, the cams are very different, and because of that, there are some changes that we made in the tuning that brought out more from the G5X-2 package, Give me a call, and we can talk about the tune. I would be glad to share the info with you.
Just a couple of key points that come to mind.
* What were the before numbers on both cars?
The before numbers will show differences
in the drive line losses.
* Did both cars have new spark plugs installed
with the cam install?
* How many miles on each car.
There are so many small differences that can affect the numbers like this.
We all know that no 2 cars are exactly the same. The graph above 5700 is pretty ragged on the 230 cam, which means it is struggling. But the G5X-2 is smooth, which in my book means that there is more to be had. And we know this from our experience.
If I tested an LG Cam on one car and a competitors cam on another car, Just like this test. Even with very similar cars. And I reported it on this forum, We would all say that it is hard to draw a real conclusion based upon 2 different cars on 2 different days.
Mikey, we can talk tomorrow.
Thanks
Lou Gigliotti LGM 972-272-7753
This thread has good information, and will make us all think about the cause and effect, so don't turn this into a flame fest. Thanks LG
The G5X2 cammed WS6 is my car.
Mikey made this observation and Yes I was shocked but not dissapointed at all. The car is scary fast, and is very streetable due to Mikeys tuning. Even before the tune, the surging wasnt horrible.
Lou- Yes I changed the plug when I did the cam install I have about 25000 miles on her.
Mikey- DId the other cart has ASP pullys and Ported throttle body? I do not have either. Thanks again for a great tune.
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and MOBE you couldnt be more off on your observations of the G5X-2. There is no surging ( once tuned) , no hunting for idle ( once tuned, and it wasnt even that bad when it wasnt for me, and I have the 112 ls1!)Also there is not an issue with hot starts...
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ScreaminSS01: did I miss something here? You seem to have a grudge against LG or their products for some reason. I've read this thread a couple times and you seem to be the only one with something negative to say. I fail to see how you can say your car isn't a full bolt on car, the only thing it looks like you're missing is a lid???
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ScreaminSS01: did I miss something here? You seem to have a grudge against LG or their products for some reason. I've read this thread a couple times and you seem to be the only one with something negative to say. I fail to see how you can say your car isn't a full bolt on car, the only thing it looks like you're missing is a lid???
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I think he is jelous...
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