Harland sharp is a rip off IMO
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Harland sharp is a rip off IMO Im sorry, I never wanted to bash any sponsor here. Although Ive never been fond of Moser either, but at least Bob at EPP has gave me excellent customer service.
Ok Harland sharp is a ripoff IMO, because
I paid some $20 odd dollars to ship my LS1 rockers there... I waited nearly 2 weeks from me shipping them and recieving them back...
and was charged $275...
so total ended up paying $300...
Why is this a rip off?
Because you send your rocker arms to be rebuilt, it has a core charge...
I can pay $150 give or take a few... and get brand new LS1/LS7 rockers, shipped faster, paying a lot less and keep my old rockers at the same time
Why would I pay double that and lose my old rockers.
I paid $399 for the YT, but at least I kept my old rockers..
what a waste IMO, I really think its a very expensive charge for a "rebuild" and for the time you wait.
Im sorry, this is just how I feel....
to sum it up:
1) 400 for brand new YT rocker and keeping my old ones
2) 150 for brand new LS1 rockers and keeping my old ones
3) 300 for rebuilding LS1 rockers... and NOT keeping my old ones..
Option 2 by far is the best one and I went with #1 and #3 . Stupid me...
So this thread is just make people aware of #3
If I could do it again I would have just bought some stock rockers, because they are excellent already and kept my old ones as spares and saved me a few hundred.
Ok Harland sharp is a ripoff IMO, because
I paid some $20 odd dollars to ship my LS1 rockers there... I waited nearly 2 weeks from me shipping them and recieving them back...
and was charged $275...
so total ended up paying $300...
Why is this a rip off?
Because you send your rocker arms to be rebuilt, it has a core charge...
I can pay $150 give or take a few... and get brand new LS1/LS7 rockers, shipped faster, paying a lot less and keep my old rockers at the same time
Why would I pay double that and lose my old rockers.
I paid $399 for the YT, but at least I kept my old rockers..
what a waste IMO, I really think its a very expensive charge for a "rebuild" and for the time you wait.
Im sorry, this is just how I feel....
to sum it up:
1) 400 for brand new YT rocker and keeping my old ones
2) 150 for brand new LS1 rockers and keeping my old ones
3) 300 for rebuilding LS1 rockers... and NOT keeping my old ones..
Option 2 by far is the best one and I went with #1 and #3 . Stupid me...
So this thread is just make people aware of #3
If I could do it again I would have just bought some stock rockers, because they are excellent already and kept my old ones as spares and saved me a few hundred.
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For the record....
Im unsure about the LS1/LS7 rocker price now, but I recall them being that cheap at one point and I remember someone was willing to sell them to me for $125 because he never wanted to use them
Im unsure about the LS1/LS7 rocker price now, but I recall them being that cheap at one point and I remember someone was willing to sell them to me for $125 because he never wanted to use them
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HS rebuilds them to be better than stock. Basically you don't have to worry about needle bearings failing on you, performance wise doubtful it'll show any gains as they are practically the same. The benefit is that they fit with no modification since they are stock and are usually lighter than some aftermarket alternatives. If you go for a set that are lighter and full rollers, expect to pay more than $400...
If you get stockers, you run the chance of them failing if you try to make high HP with high RPM. Some live, some don't, but for a 600HP monster, I'm sure you've spent significantly more on other parts simply for peace of mind when spinning up in RPM.
If you get stockers, you run the chance of them failing if you try to make high HP with high RPM. Some live, some don't, but for a 600HP monster, I'm sure you've spent significantly more on other parts simply for peace of mind when spinning up in RPM.
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All they do is change the bearings...., too much if You ask me, Im sorry...
Oh and Im pretty sure the needle bearings fell out and there was a TSB on them, that doesnt mean they all did that, just a number of the cars.
besides
I honestly think the LS7 lifters were damn cheap and Im surethey hold good HP applications... since they come on the LS7..
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Please get you facts strait:
They change trunions, bearings and add c-clips
So they completely blueprint and rebuilt the rockers to a better stage. Stock lightweight rockers are still some of the best design out there.
If it is not worth it to you, perhaps you should have made another decision before you do it and bash them.
I've been using them for 2 years now and mine have been working like a charm and i went through Nasty's at $265 (actualy a bit less since i live overseas and i paid for my FedEx shipping)
They change trunions, bearings and add c-clips
So they completely blueprint and rebuilt the rockers to a better stage. Stock lightweight rockers are still some of the best design out there.
If it is not worth it to you, perhaps you should have made another decision before you do it and bash them.
I've been using them for 2 years now and mine have been working like a charm and i went through Nasty's at $265 (actualy a bit less since i live overseas and i paid for my FedEx shipping)
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I addition to that if you paid $20 to ship your rockers your an idiot. The Post Office has a flat rate box for 8.95.
In addtion to the trunions, bearings and add c-clips they also give you a new set of hardened bolts.
Did you pay for shipping on those YT's? or were they $400 delivered?
Even if they were $400 delivered they are still $135 more than the HS rebuilds are. The rebuilt HS will take anything you can throw at it.
In addtion to the trunions, bearings and add c-clips they also give you a new set of hardened bolts.
Did you pay for shipping on those YT's? or were they $400 delivered?
Even if they were $400 delivered they are still $135 more than the HS rebuilds are. The rebuilt HS will take anything you can throw at it.
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Thanks for clarifying that fellas.
and thatnks for bringing to my attention the post office rate
and yes, Im sure they are excellent rockers... Hell Im gonna probably use em over the YT
but in the end... too much for a core charged rocker arm change IMO.. Thanks.
I wish someone would sell me Harland sharp rebuilt rockers by itself for 350 or 400, Id buy em.. I wish they offered that, but they dont.
and thatnks for bringing to my attention the post office rate
and yes, Im sure they are excellent rockers... Hell Im gonna probably use em over the YT
but in the end... too much for a core charged rocker arm change IMO.. Thanks.
I wish someone would sell me Harland sharp rebuilt rockers by itself for 350 or 400, Id buy em.. I wish they offered that, but they dont.
I guess if you consider rebuilding them so the needle berrings don't fall apart in your engine is a rip off.......
Last I remember the YTs have too much weight over the tip and cause valve float. I had a set of Jessel's that flexed and caused float.
The HS rockers are the way to go if you don't want to ball up to a set of shaft mount T&Ds.
Last I remember the YTs have too much weight over the tip and cause valve float. I had a set of Jessel's that flexed and caused float.
The HS rockers are the way to go if you don't want to ball up to a set of shaft mount T&Ds.
I guess if you consider rebuilding them so the needle berrings don't fall apart in your engine is a rip off.......
Last I remember the YTs have too much weight over the tip and cause valve float. I had a set of Jessel's that flexed and caused float.
The HS rockers are the way to go if you don't want to ball up to a set of shaft mount T&Ds.
Last I remember the YTs have too much weight over the tip and cause valve float. I had a set of Jessel's that flexed and caused float.
The HS rockers are the way to go if you don't want to ball up to a set of shaft mount T&Ds.
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The rebuilt/upgraded stock rockers are good options for people. Its cheaper than YT's, Scorpion or the HS's. The upgrades fix the issues that the factory ones have and make them a better product. Maybe it was not a great fit for your application but that doesnt mean its a rippoff.
If you are running aftermarket/reworked stock heads with bronze valve guides, I have been told by some knowlegable engine builders that a roller rocker setup should be considered mandatory.
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Ive also heard the tip is heavy...
I wonder if Im gonna have issues til 6900 rpms?
This is the route I'll be goin. I just picked up a extra set of rockers, so I will also have a extra stock set laying around when I'm done. It's the best bang for the buck. It's cheaper than buying all new rockers & you get a reinforced & better built stock rocker in return. I really don't see as how its a rip off.
It's perfect for the guy who wants a reliable set of rockers without changing ratio & without worring about rocker weight differences. Direct bolt on & drive type parts is what alot of guys like.
It's perfect for the guy who wants a reliable set of rockers without changing ratio & without worring about rocker weight differences. Direct bolt on & drive type parts is what alot of guys like.