monSSter1191

Well I'm running TEA Stage II 5.3 heads with the TR224 on a 112, I had the car decently tuned (though I think the shop really skimped a little with the tuning) and I put down 361 rwhp, 388 rwtq, the trans was slipping quite a bit considering I lost it 30 miles outside of town heading home from picking the car up. I hope to pick up a little more with the new Speed Inc Stage III trans I just put in. But other than that do the numbers sound alright?

The A/F was right around 14:1 at WOT which they told me was normal for a car without cats... is this normal? Shouldn't it be more like 12.8-13.0:1???

Slowhawk

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14-1 is not normal.It should be 12.8-1 or so.The low dyno #'s could be from the worn tranny.Also if it's not locked on the dyno the #'s will be low.

Paul F

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I agree 14:1 is TOO lean. We would like to see about 12.8:1 to 13:1. Dyno numbers look a little low but that could easily be caused by a slipping tranny or by running too lean. We did a 2000 TA a while back with GTP Stage II heads and a TR224 cam through an unlocked Vig3600. It made 397rwhp at about 12.5-12.8:1. Good luck with the new tranny.

JF WS6

Hmmmmmm, something does sound amiss whether it's your trans or the poor tuning, but you SHOULD be around something like 400-420RWHP I would imagine.

monSSter1191

Well the car seems to be running really rich, it smokes a considerably amount and spews liquid out the exhaust when I rev it up... any advice? It's not oil it's definitely fuel.

The car seems to be running rich but the A/F said 14.0:1.... is it possible their 02 was out of whack you think?

monSSter1191

By the way it seems to run good though, I put 5 car lengths on a 2001 bolt-ons 6spd from a 50mph roll. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

11 Bravo

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Are you monitoring w/ atap? When you have all those engine mods, atap is a must have thing.

monSSter1191

I have ATAP but haven't had a chance to log anything with it yet or even take a look at it on my own, I've only had the car running for a day. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

kp

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was it 14:1 the whole way or did it fatten up towards the end?

My car with converter unlocked is ~376rwhp with a tiny cam and cats so you are down, torque unlocked is kind of meaningless because of the 'spike.'

Was it a dynojet dyno?

monSSter1191

Well I went back and looked at it, the A/F starts out at about 14.4:1... then as the rpms climb eventually drops to about 13.5:1

FYI: It was a dynojet not a Mustang.

<small>[ February 09, 2003, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: monSSter1191 ]</small>

beardWS6

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I have S2 heads and X1 cam with 112 lobe from MTI. You can see in my sig what I pulled. We have my timing at 23 degrees and alittle rich to be safe with my stock bottom. The numbers are with the conv locked. I have a 12-bolt etc also pulling power! Re-dyno after the tranny. If your not pushing over 400rwhp something is wroung. Good Luck!

NicD

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Bwahaha, that will teach you to go to Xtreme. 14.0 is not normal, nor is 13.5. Its too lean. I tuned my roommates car with a smaller cam than yours (220/114) and stock compression (5.7) stage II heads and he put down 402 at the rear.

<small>[ February 09, 2003, 11:38 PM: Message edited by: Nic00Z28M6 ]</small>

Iv_z28

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nic00Z28M6:
<strong> Bwahaha, that will teach you to go to Xtreme. 14.0 is not normal, nor is 13.5. Its too lean. I tuned my roommates car with a smaller cam than yours (220/114) and stock compression (5.7) stage II heads and he put down 402 at the rear. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So, Nick, what's a good place in Phoenix/Tucson to do the tuning, aside from you, of cause <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />


..btw, your friend's 402rwhp - that's M6, right?

monSSter1191

Well Xtreme did a good job on everything except the tuning. They knew I was coming up from Tucson and despite the fact that the car wasn't really *ready* for pickup on Wednesday they stayed until 11:30pm working on it to finish it up so the tuning was rushed more than anything but I got the feeling they really didn't know 100% of how to tune it well since they set my rev limit down at 6300 and the cam is supposed to make power unitl 6600 which means the shift points should be there and the rev limit at like 6700... correct?

How hard is LS1 Edit to figure out? I was thinking about asking Xtreme for a couple hundred bucks of my tuning money back since I'm having stalling problems and what not and just purchase LS1 edit on my own. The car would not have even run had they not tuned it but I think Mike spent a total of maybe an hour on it with LS1 Edit... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

By the way Nic if you buddy's car is a six speed that makes perfect sense though, A4's will NEVER put down the dyno numbers like the six speeds will but regardless I know now that my numbers were low.

<small>[ February 10, 2003, 02:22 AM: Message edited by: monSSter1191 ]</small>

NicD

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Iv_z28:
<strong> So, Nick, what's a good place in Phoenix/Tucson to do the tuning, aside from you, of cause <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />


..btw, your friend's 402rwhp - that's M6, right? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Honestly, I can't think of a good shop in phoenix that does LS1edit tuning well. I would buy it yourself and give me a call. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

And no, Bryce's car is an auto, not a 6 spd.

NicD

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by monSSter1191:
<strong> Well Xtreme did a good job on everything except the tuning. They knew I was coming up from Tucson and despite the fact that the car wasn't really *ready* for pickup on Wednesday they stayed until 11:30pm working on it to finish it up so the tuning was rushed more than anything but I got the feeling they really didn't know 100% of how to tune it well since they set my rev limit down at 6300 and the cam is supposed to make power unitl 6600 which means the shift points should be there and the rev limit at like 6700... correct?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sounds like they didn't change the revlimiter at all. With your cam I would set it to shift around 6500.


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by monSSter1191:
<strong>How hard is LS1 Edit to figure out? I was thinking about asking Xtreme for a couple hundred bucks of my tuning money back since I'm having stalling problems and what not and just purchase LS1 edit on my own. The car would not have even run had they not tuned it but I think Mike spent a total of maybe an hour on it with LS1 Edit... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, its not really hard, its just time consuming. It takes some time to take it all in. As for getting some money back from the tuning, that will NEVER happen. The cam you are running is large for your standard auto, but with LS1edit you should get it so it never wants to stall.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by monSSter1191:
<strong>By the way Nic if you buddy's car is a six speed that makes perfect sense though, A4's will NEVER put down the dyno numbers like the six speeds will but regardless I know now that my numbers were low. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, its an auto.

monSSter1191

Well you never know as far as a limited refund goes, I can complain to them about the stalling issues I'm having and the A/F and then basically it all boils down to... how much did they actually tune it? Was an hour of Mike's time and use of the program worth $500? I don't think so.

They realize I'm from Tucson so instead of saying: "Come back, we'll fix it" they might give me money back... who knows... maybe not... but worth a try at least... just give me some principle back to buy LS1 Edit on my own.

NicD

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by monSSter1191:
<strong> Well you never know as far as a limited refund goes, I can complain to them about the stalling issues I'm having and the A/F and then basically it all boils down to... how much did they actually tune it? Was an hour of Mike's time and use of the program worth $500? I don't think so.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A limited refund... somebody I know wants their money back because they will not retune his car or remove his other code that came up. He wants his money back, they didn't do anything about it even when he talked to the owner. He is now claiming it with his credit card company. And did you just say you paid $500 for ls1edit tuning from them! I doubt they will get it to idle right or not stall, already been through that with somebody else. Holy ****.

<small>[ February 10, 2003, 11:41 AM: Message edited by: Nic00Z28M6 ]</small>

monSSter1191

hmmm... so no shops in AZ can tune well with LS1 Edit... guess I'll just say F&CK it and buy LS1 Edit then and do it myself.

NicD

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by FASST:
<strong> Hmmmm, I wonder who that was... BTW, Arizona Speed and Marine just got a copy of LS1edit. They haven't had a chance to play with it yet. I see a money-making opportunity for you Nick!
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hehe, maybe I should have said I have gone through that already... twice. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

I should give them a ring. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />