Hsv Clubsport R8. What do you guys think of this Aussie beast?
04-22-2019, 07:08 AM
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I like it. A lot. RHD obviously.
04-22-2019, 10:19 AM
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Very Last HSV GTSR before factory shut down 
Wish I could afford this beast. Has 410mm AP racing brakes with 390mm rear brakes and the LSA engine. HSV also released a special edition called the GTSR W1 which had the epic LS9 engine along with custom suspension and pirelli semi slicks as standard.
04-22-2019, 01:25 PM
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The GTSR W1 came exclusively with the LS9,
They could only build 200 or 300 of these because thats all the stock GM in America had left.
I still think the LS9 is the best engine GM ever made.
It was so strong and overbuilt from factory.
The new LT4 and LT5 are not as strong internally
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04-22-2019, 01:38 PM
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That last pic is the hsv version.
These have a different steering ratio, different suspension, different brakes wheels and tyres, it even comes with a strong as 9 inch diff standard too and the automatic version had the 6l90e transmission.
They drive very differently.
The hsv drives a lot better after having sampled both but it's a shame you guys only got the rebadged Commodore ss model with slightly different exterior styling.
04-22-2019, 02:26 PM
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Looks similar however the suspension interior etc is the same as the the normal Holden equivalent which was called the VF Commodore down here.
That last pic is the hsv version.
These have a different steering ratio, different suspension, different brakes wheels and tyres, it even comes with a strong as 9 inch diff standard too and the automatic version had the 6l90e transmission.
They drive very differently.
The hsv drives a lot better after having sampled both but it's a shame you guys only got the rebadged Commodore ss model with slightly different exterior styling.
That last pic is the hsv version.
These have a different steering ratio, different suspension, different brakes wheels and tyres, it even comes with a strong as 9 inch diff standard too and the automatic version had the 6l90e transmission.
They drive very differently.
The hsv drives a lot better after having sampled both but it's a shame you guys only got the rebadged Commodore ss model with slightly different exterior styling.
04-22-2019, 02:59 PM
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I have no idea.
If you are talking about the GTO from the previous generation you will need to consult with someone who knows because I don't.
The rear end is so rigid in the gtsr and gets the power down so well.
Because of it the handling is significantly enhanced too.
If you are talking about the GTO from the previous generation you will need to consult with someone who knows because I don't.
The rear end is so rigid in the gtsr and gets the power down so well.
Because of it the handling is significantly enhanced too.
04-22-2019, 03:33 PM
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G8 platform, ole news
https://www.motortrend.com/news/pont...aloo-gxp-6847/
https://www.motortrend.com/news/pont...aloo-gxp-6847/
That vehicle was based on the first generation Zeta platform that came out in 2006.
In 2009 this was the E series model. The 2nd update. Then there was a 3rd update after that.
The 9 inch diff models came out in 2013 with the introduction of the gen F hsv generation which was a major upgrade over its predecessor.
However only the gts had the 9 inch diff. The others didn't.
There was an all new interior, all new aluminium front end with far more rigid components and the move to electric steering. New brake booster cylinder setup plus many more things.
04-22-2019, 04:41 PM
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04-22-2019, 05:55 PM
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No G.... really saying or asking isn't it the same chassis... not saying i'm correct as all use the same chassis, what yr was the switch from the g8. Newer camaro's and ats share the same chassis.
Ok
impala & 13* hsv gtsr w1 share the same chassis, g8 is the older model
If you know 1, you know them all type deal
Ok
impala & 13* hsv gtsr w1 share the same chassis, g8 is the older model
If you know 1, you know them all type deal
04-22-2019, 07:18 PM
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I will write a small essay on this history of this for you guys when I get a chance.
It may even give you a few ideas and certainly some facts.
It's a shame they stopped making these vehicles.
It may even give you a few ideas and certainly some facts.
It's a shame they stopped making these vehicles.
04-23-2019, 08:59 AM
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This zeta platform was first released here in Australia in 2006.
This was holden's first ever platform that was designed by holden Australia from the ground up.
This platform was heavily influenced by the BMW e60 5 series which holden had pulled apart and worked from and made a better version of it.
This was a one billion dollar project which was so expensive for such a small market.
In the beginning with the VE commodore there were a lot of quality issues.
The refinement levels in the cabin were lower than the previous generation vehicle and the interiors were just plain ugly.
The biggest improvements were perfect chasis balance, much stiffer shell and the suspension setup was finally up to do date with a double pivoted mcpherson strut setup and a 4 link rear end.
I test drove the HSV version which was the e series 2 (released in 2008) and i disliked it very much.
The car just felt off and the steering feel was inconsistent and the interior noise was louder.
Plus that 6l80E auto was a slug. So slow to respond compared to my 4l65E box.
Holden and HSV did minor updates to the VE and the series 3 version was released in 2009 or 2010 (can't quite remember)
Then in 2013 the heavily upgraded VF was released.
This release was huge.
It was still based on the original VE chasis but felt like a completely different car.
It fixed all the issues the VE had such as refinement, steering, brake feel,
Ride quality, aerodynamics, interiors.
The front end was all new with 70% brand new components and all the front end components were upgraded to a much lighter and rigid aluminium.
This had a big impact on front end feel.
Another bug that was fixed was with the suspension travel. All VE's were plagued with a suspension design that did not have enough travel and would hit the bump stops.
When the vehicle was lowered it was even worse. This was fixed in the VF and was no longer an issue.
The steering also went to electric and the ratio was fixed. No more variable ratio.
The brake booster and master cylinder also was a big improvement with a firmer pedal with more sensitivity and better modulation.
The automatic was also more responsive and shifting much better compared to the earlier iterations.
The bonnet was also upgraded to aluminium in order to save weight.
Holden had much bigger plans for this car but they couldn't do what they wanted due to the financial crash in 2008.
Holden's original plan was to upgrade the panels and the rear suspension components to a more rigid aluminium to improve handling and refinement further.
They also wanted to reinforce the chasis with extra metal in certain points too.
The VF series 1 and 2 were identical with only very minor detail upgrades during this time.
The HSV version corrected a couple of minor things with the introduction of the GEN F series 2 in 2016.
The very last GTS was called the GTSR and in this model HSV improved the on centre steering feel and got rid of the minor steering play and also the refinement levels.
There were also some handling improvements and the introduction of a crazy AP racing brake upgrade using 410mm rotors up front and 392mm rotors in the rear.
I never knew why HSV upgraded the brakes.
The ones on the previous model were crazy enough in their stopping power and when tested they were better than their german rivals in stopping distances and brake fade.
This is all I can think of but if you have any questions just ask.
I'm sure there are things I have missed.
This was holden's first ever platform that was designed by holden Australia from the ground up.
This platform was heavily influenced by the BMW e60 5 series which holden had pulled apart and worked from and made a better version of it.
This was a one billion dollar project which was so expensive for such a small market.
In the beginning with the VE commodore there were a lot of quality issues.
The refinement levels in the cabin were lower than the previous generation vehicle and the interiors were just plain ugly.
The biggest improvements were perfect chasis balance, much stiffer shell and the suspension setup was finally up to do date with a double pivoted mcpherson strut setup and a 4 link rear end.
I test drove the HSV version which was the e series 2 (released in 2008) and i disliked it very much.
The car just felt off and the steering feel was inconsistent and the interior noise was louder.
Plus that 6l80E auto was a slug. So slow to respond compared to my 4l65E box.
Holden and HSV did minor updates to the VE and the series 3 version was released in 2009 or 2010 (can't quite remember)
Then in 2013 the heavily upgraded VF was released.
This release was huge.
It was still based on the original VE chasis but felt like a completely different car.
It fixed all the issues the VE had such as refinement, steering, brake feel,
Ride quality, aerodynamics, interiors.
The front end was all new with 70% brand new components and all the front end components were upgraded to a much lighter and rigid aluminium.
This had a big impact on front end feel.
Another bug that was fixed was with the suspension travel. All VE's were plagued with a suspension design that did not have enough travel and would hit the bump stops.
When the vehicle was lowered it was even worse. This was fixed in the VF and was no longer an issue.
The steering also went to electric and the ratio was fixed. No more variable ratio.
The brake booster and master cylinder also was a big improvement with a firmer pedal with more sensitivity and better modulation.
The automatic was also more responsive and shifting much better compared to the earlier iterations.
The bonnet was also upgraded to aluminium in order to save weight.
Holden had much bigger plans for this car but they couldn't do what they wanted due to the financial crash in 2008.
Holden's original plan was to upgrade the panels and the rear suspension components to a more rigid aluminium to improve handling and refinement further.
They also wanted to reinforce the chasis with extra metal in certain points too.
The VF series 1 and 2 were identical with only very minor detail upgrades during this time.
The HSV version corrected a couple of minor things with the introduction of the GEN F series 2 in 2016.
The very last GTS was called the GTSR and in this model HSV improved the on centre steering feel and got rid of the minor steering play and also the refinement levels.
There were also some handling improvements and the introduction of a crazy AP racing brake upgrade using 410mm rotors up front and 392mm rotors in the rear.
I never knew why HSV upgraded the brakes.
The ones on the previous model were crazy enough in their stopping power and when tested they were better than their german rivals in stopping distances and brake fade.
This is all I can think of but if you have any questions just ask.
I'm sure there are things I have missed.