C6Z Brakes Front and Rear

 

are those 4 piston calipers?

 

I'm still trying to decide what i wanna do for:

Fuel System...
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Mini-tub?

CCW's?

What Catback?


Need some opinions.

 

6 Piston Front

 

oh **** i didn't see the Z at the end LOL damn thats some good stopping power!

 

i say you mini tub it since you are waiting for the block to get there! you will be able to fit that 325 on the rear for your dd and strip

i thought you were gonna go with the borla? what about the GMMG?

 

No worries mate. lol

Yea. they'll should do the job

 

I was planning on borla. still am, I think it the best way to go. but i way have to put a spiral flow after the Y-pipe.


And i originally wanted to do the mini-tub. but then i realized it was gonna be alot of work. But now i guess now im getting into a lot of metal work. so i was thinking i should go ahead and just do it. Plus im getting a moser(custom width) and probably a set of CCW's

 

its gonna be one sick *** car!!!!!

 

That's the plan.

 

The weight reduction is a big factor between the cast iron LSX and the LS2 blocks. It's over 100lbs lighter than the cast iron LSX. The LSX does have the priority main oiling like Haans249 said but in our experience we've never had an issue with the loss of oil to the mains using the LS2 blocks and we've built engines (LS2 based) that make over 1700 hp and road racing engines (LS2 based) that get beat on the whole race and have never had any oiling issues with the mains or the rods.
Also, we have seen in big race turbo applications aluminum dampens the harmonics better than the cast iron enabling you to still run steel rods in the aluminum block without it beating the bearings out of it.
We have 4 different sleeving systems for the LS based blocks.
#1 - ERL Dry Sleeve with max bore of 4.165 (Street Application)
#2 - ERL Superdeck 1 4 bolt with max bore of 4.200 (street/all out race)
#3 - ERL Superdeck 1 "6 bolt" with max bore of 4.200 (street/all out race)
- Our "6 bolt" pattern is based off the GM LSX hole pattern
#4 - ERL Superdeck 2 500 CI with max bore of 4.200 (street/all out race)

In a lot of cases by the time you finish the LSX block you have as much money invested in it for machining as you have in our ERL Superdeck block. If you would like to save weight and be able to use your LS block as a core exchange then we would love to help you out. Thanks!

 

Good Information.

But, I feel comfortable having my LSX block under the hood. Im not too worried about having a heavy block. I already ordered my 454. and I was looking for the best chances to have a reliable engine.

Im happy with my decicsion.

I just dont like waiting....

Yep. Im a whiner. lol

 

I totally understand. We are getting ready to put our 500 CI LS2 in our C5 Vette and I'll have all kinds of pics of the installation and it's going into one of the magazines for people to see but not sure which one it will be yet but I'll keep you posted. I'm going to drive the C5 with the ERL Superdeck II 500 CI in it on the Power Tour next month to show just how reliable our 500 CI is on the street as well. We just pulled it off our engine dyno and I'll post some numbers up as well as to what it made. Good luck with your build! Keep us updated on it.

 

Quick question, how on earth are you going to spend so much on machining on a LSX block that it would cost just as much as a completely machined and sleeved ERL Block?! What is the cost of your block?! I spent 700 on all machining required (plus a little extra machining for improved oiling) when it was all said and done on my build. Total cost with the block is around 2700.

*Edit, I did just check out the prices of your short-blocks. Holy crap at the prices, they are pretty amazing.

 

You need to call an engine builder that deals with a lot of a given block to give you straight talk.

 

I think we have a variety of choices depending on your application. We have guys that couldn't run the LSX block because of things shifting under their conditions. These guys are driving 7 second cars and they run our Superdeck I "6 bolt"blocks instead and have no issues. The cost on our ERL Superdeck I "6 bolt" sleeving with bronze lifter bushings, doweled billet main caps, ARP main stud kit runs around 3500.00 retail. The nice thing is that we machine the blocks the same whether it's for a 7 second car or a 10 second car. The 7 second car just has more options added to it but the sleeving that is just 2600.00 is the same as the sleeving we do on the 3500.00 option. Our stuff is out there and has been beat on and beat on in some of the harshest race applications and live. I'm no on here to talk down any product but just show what are product can do and how it has been proven. One other benefit to our Superdeck I and Superdeck II over some others is that our sleeve length is longer which is great for reliability because even on our 500 CI Superdeck II block that has a 4.500 stroke "Billet" crank in it and a 6.800 Carrillo rod, not even an 1/8 of an inch of the Wiseco piston skirts comes out of the bottom of the cylinder. In alot of stroker builds that's a problem because the pistons come out of the bottom of the cylinder quite a bit and will rock causing issues but because our sleeves are longer it keeps that from happening and keeps it more reliable. I think our pricing covers the whole range of applications but even the guys that want a street build will get the sleeving that our 1800 hp + guys get. I would say that's a benefit.

 

I have a customer in Australia that has been at me for about a month maybe two now discussing the same lsx vs erl . By the time he done his rounds he talking to machine shops and engine builders has decided to go for the ERL short motor! For what you get the erl is value and can play hard!
Regards
Steve

 

 

That is a lot of great information. I am sitting down and reading through your webpage. I especially like hearing about the length of your sleeves, and I don't know how you do it with 4.5" throw in there haha. What is the compression height on the pistons? If I had known about the short blocks you guys have, I may have had one in my car now! IMHO, your prices are great for the product you offer, I don't know how you do it. But I'm beyond impressed right now, basically floored. Do you offer a 6-bolt per cylinder on your SDII blocks?

 

I wish I did more homework, because I would probably have made the same decision your customer made...