500ci engine from ERL
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500ci engine from ERL http://erlperformance.com/index.php?...&Itemid=100016
I noticed these monsters the other day at the bottom of a page on here in an add. I was just curious if anyone was familiar with the company or had personally been around one of these giant cubed engines from them in person. I have a guy that was originally interested in doing a 434 but why not go all the way if your gonna spend the money. Engine puts down 632hp/621tq just didn't want to be the guinea pig if you know what I mean. With its 4.2 bore and 4.5 stroke it is a little out of square probably not a good candidate for any spray but would be one hell of an NA setup.
I noticed these monsters the other day at the bottom of a page on here in an add. I was just curious if anyone was familiar with the company or had personally been around one of these giant cubed engines from them in person. I have a guy that was originally interested in doing a 434 but why not go all the way if your gonna spend the money. Engine puts down 632hp/621tq just didn't want to be the guinea pig if you know what I mean. With its 4.2 bore and 4.5 stroke it is a little out of square probably not a good candidate for any spray but would be one hell of an NA setup.
We do 460 with a sleeved LS2 then step up to the superdeck for more cubes.
Our 460 long block will handle a 200 shot and is $16,750 so that give you some idea on pricing. IIRC a 485 would be with the SD for FI (off the top of my head)
Our 460 long block will handle a 200 shot and is $16,750 so that give you some idea on pricing. IIRC a 485 would be with the SD for FI (off the top of my head)
School of Automotive Machinists has one in Linda Massingil's black Camaro. They have spray on it too.
The Superdeck 1 system has proven to be a reliable and sturdy foundation, time will tell on the Superdeck 2 for the large cubes.
The Superdeck 1 system has proven to be a reliable and sturdy foundation, time will tell on the Superdeck 2 for the large cubes.
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Is that price for a long block or short block? The 500 from ERL is listed at $9900 for a shortblock, seems like an awful lot of work for that price, but semi affordable at the same time. I don't know gotta love new parts and innovation in the LS market but at the same time I want to see some proof of failure/ survival rate to boot.
Is that price for a long block or short block? The 500 from ERL is listed at $9900 for a shortblock, seems like an awful lot of work for that price, but semi affordable at the same time. I don't know gotta love new parts and innovation in the LS market but at the same time I want to see some proof of failure/ survival rate to boot.
My 7+ yr old, tired, 427ci makes just a tad under 500 RWHP, same as the ERL 500ci turn-key package. And my 427ci has cheesy ported LS1 heads 304cfm @ .650.
The superdeck ERL will require custom headers, which from what I've heard can cost $2,000.
That 500ci ERL turn-key is equal in power output to any ole' 408ci., its really actually like buying a 408ci. because the top end is killing it. They are putting a $2,000 top end on a $10,000 short block....makes no sense. The heads are nice, but they're terrible for a 500ci engine, it also uses an LS7 intake, which is also terrible for a 500ci engine. So to make more power with that 500ci engine, you need to buy a nice set of heads ($5,000) and some kind of intake to make the heads breath. Sheet metal ($4,000) or an ITB intake ($4,000+).
I'd love to buy a 500ci ERL engine, but only if I had the cash to put a proper top end package on it too.
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Is that price for a long block or short block? The 500 from ERL is listed at $9900 for a shortblock, seems like an awful lot of work for that price, but semi affordable at the same time. I don't know gotta love new parts and innovation in the LS market but at the same time I want to see some proof of failure/ survival rate to boot.
The superdeck ERL will require custom headers,
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454ci resleeved LS2, 11.5:1 cr, 240's cam, ported LS7 heads, ported LS7 intake. Little over $10,000.
Use an ITB intake, make 700 RWHP.
Done.
The 500ci ERL or any 500ci engine....all the same...top end choice makes the power.
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That 500ci ERL turn-key is equal in power output to any ole' 408ci., its really actually like buying a 408ci. because the top end is killing it. They are putting a $2,000 top end on a $10,000 short block....makes no sense. The heads are nice, but they're terrible for a 500ci engine, it also uses an LS7 intake, which is also terrible for a 500ci engine. So to make more power with that 500ci engine, you need to buy a nice set of heads ($5,000) and some kind of intake to make the heads breath. Sheet metal ($4,000) or an ITB intake ($4,000+).
what if you were to use the GMPP or vic jr LS intake with the ERL motor ? making some good points in this thread though.
what if you were to use the GMPP or vic jr LS intake with the ERL motor ? making some good points in this thread though.
400+ cfm heads and an ITB or vic jr. type intake should do it.
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LS7 intake on top of L92's????????????? How???? Spacers/adapters?
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http://image.gmhightechperformance.c...ls2_engine.jpg
Heres a pic if you look closely you can see the spacer block on the right side of the pic. It looks to be 1/2 inch or more
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They had this artical in GM high tech. I think it was almost a year or mabye 6 months ago. They used CNC'd spacers that they made in house to make it work. I dont know if the kit comes with that or not but they had it with several diffrent intakes sitting on the dyno (pictures). One was a sheet metal that looked like it was for an f-body. Then the LS7 intake and a Vic jr. I don't think they said anything about which one flowed the best that would have been some great info.
http://image.gmhightechperformance.c...ls2_engine.jpg
Heres a pic if you look closely you can see the spacer block on the right side of the pic. It looks to be 1/2 inch or more
http://image.gmhightechperformance.c...ls2_engine.jpg
Heres a pic if you look closely you can see the spacer block on the right side of the pic. It looks to be 1/2 inch or more
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Wow check this out I did some search on it a little bit and found this
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11900096-post15.html
That is freakin insane
He was also saying that the SAM car was the only car racing and that the rest of the apps. were streetable daily drivers that they take cross country and gets 18 mpg on 93 oct.
I was inpressed when I seen it in the magazine. Now im just completely blowin away.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11900096-post15.html
That is freakin insane
He was also saying that the SAM car was the only car racing and that the rest of the apps. were streetable daily drivers that they take cross country and gets 18 mpg on 93 oct.
I was inpressed when I seen it in the magazine. Now im just completely blowin away. 
there was another thread i just read yesterday where a shop owner said that he highly reccomends the ERL block. I would be happy with the 454 LS2 with the resleeving. How much does it cost to have a clock resleeved?
Wow check this out I did some search on it a little bit and found this
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11900096-post15.html
That is freakin insane
He was also saying that the SAM car was the only car racing and that the rest of the apps. were streetable daily drivers that they take cross country and gets 18 mpg on 93 oct. I was inpressed when I seen it in the magazine. Now im just completely blowin away.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11900096-post15.html
That is freakin insane
He was also saying that the SAM car was the only car racing and that the rest of the apps. were streetable daily drivers that they take cross country and gets 18 mpg on 93 oct.
I was inpressed when I seen it in the magazine. Now im just completely blowin away.who has the 482 running boost?
I think It said they were in the mag. but who knows. It could have been a 100 shot just to say they were. It says they ran a 10.05 in the 1/4 and that they where hoping to get into the 9s.
As of yet I havent seen anyone I just read it in that post. It does sound logical though if you think about it. The way the sleeves are made it makes them a little stronger then the stock sleeves setup. The deck plate compress the sleeves between the head and the bottom of the block. Im guessing they have a grove cut at the bottom of the block to make the sleeve to lock into to keep it from falling through.
Maybe if you drop the stroke down a little instead of 4.5 or made the rods shorter to drop the piston inside of the cylinder and put a set of low compression head it would make better for boost apps. Im not sure I dont know much about boost apps. I just know they need lower compression for it to work.