Generation IV Internal Engine 2005-2014 LS2 | LS3 | LS7 | L92 | LS9

GM ASA Cam in a L92 6.2L

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-22-2010, 04:30 PM
  #1  
TECH Apprentice
Thread Starter
iTrader: (12)
 
bfurches's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western, MA
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts

Default GM ASA Cam in a L92 6.2L

I am getting ready to perform the VVT delete on my L92 (complete engine from a 2008 Cadillac Escalade). I was curious, in stock form will this motor have enough piston to valve clearance with the GM ASA cam (12480110)?
.525/.525 lift
226i/236e @ .050
110lsa

Have any of you guys run this cam on a carb setup?
I know GMs 376/515 crate engine is a ls3 with 10.7:1 and makes 515hp...
So is this pretty close to what I could expect to make with my carb L92 @ stock compression (10.5:1).

Also...will the standard ls6 valve springs be what I need to run?

I also plan on hitting the motor with a small shot (100hp).

Thanks
Old 12-22-2010, 06:16 PM
  #2  
12 Second Club
iTrader: (20)
 
litle88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Burbank, Illinois
Posts: 2,561
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

With stock compression?
If you are dead set in using this cam then I'd mill the heads for a little more compression, the Ls6 valves would be fine BUT since the heads are coming off, why not upgrade them while you are there.
Your gonna want a bigger cam after a while, ask he how I know
Just my .02
Old 12-22-2010, 06:53 PM
  #3  
Launching!
 
allblowdup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 242
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

I think the ls6 comes with the same valve springs as the ls515/376 and ct525. They are yellow. Unless you are going carbed the cam will not be right l/c is to close and it does not have enough ex dur. The ct525 engine makes close to 560 hp@6500 so with a carb you can be pretty close with that cam.
Old 12-22-2010, 07:05 PM
  #4  
TECH Apprentice
Thread Starter
iTrader: (12)
 
bfurches's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western, MA
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by allblowdup
I think the ls6 comes with the same valve springs as the ls515/376 and ct525. They are yellow. Unless you are going carbed the cam will not be right l/c is to close and it does not have enough ex dur. The ct525 engine makes close to 560 hp@6500 so with a carb you can be pretty close with that cam.
Yes...I am goin carb. Thanks!
Old 12-25-2010, 09:34 AM
  #5  
LSX Mechanic
iTrader: (89)
 
Damian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 10,389
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 7 Posts

Default

I do agree that the cam does like a lot of compression. It bleeds off a lot so I'd recommend a bare min of 10.5:1 compression. Otherwise I think it'll work fine. That's one of my all time favorite cams. Sounds downright nasty @ idle too.
Old 12-25-2010, 12:41 PM
  #6  
12 Second Club
iTrader: (4)
 
SweetS10V8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,580
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Check PTV before you mill the heads.
Old 12-25-2010, 12:48 PM
  #7  
LSX Mechanic
iTrader: (89)
 
Damian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 10,389
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 7 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by SweetS10V8
Check PTV before you mill the heads.
With L92's?

You could fit about 3 school buses in between the pistons with that cam and unmilled L92's. There's plenty of room to mill .030-.040 and still have clearance. I've cut L92/LS3 castings .030 with a LOT larger cams than the ASA with no issues.
Old 12-25-2010, 01:08 PM
  #8  
TECH Senior Member
 
garygnu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 5,446
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

get some good springs and a custom cam to make more power.there are newer and better cam lobes then the gm design.
Old 12-25-2010, 01:45 PM
  #9  
12 Second Club
iTrader: (4)
 
SweetS10V8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,580
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

I milled my L92s .030 and had very limited PTV. 223 cam had .045". Had to run a 219 cam to clear .070" I&E.
Old 12-25-2010, 06:58 PM
  #10  
12 Second Club
iTrader: (20)
 
litle88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Burbank, Illinois
Posts: 2,561
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

LPE milled my Ls3 heads to 65cc for 11.8 of compression for my 247/259 .624 on both sides on a 113Lsa

But yea the ASA sounds nasty!
Old 12-26-2010, 11:26 AM
  #11  
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (1)
 
lt1773's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Michigan
Posts: 357
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

226/238 with milled heads without any issue
Old 12-26-2010, 12:12 PM
  #12  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (2)
 
deuce4935's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 759
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

For the price, I' would even go with the GM Showroom Stock cam pt#88958606, @.050 239*int/251*exh, 0.570" lift int and exh on a 106. This cam with milled L92 heads and a carb will be a beast.
Old 12-26-2010, 01:03 PM
  #13  
12 Second Club
iTrader: (4)
 
SweetS10V8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,580
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by litle88
LPE milled my Ls3 heads to 65cc for 11.8 of compression for my 247/259 .624 on both sides on a 113Lsa

But yea the ASA sounds nasty!
how much did they mill? Milling from 74cc to 65cc is a LONG way. Do you have pistons with reliefs?
Old 12-26-2010, 03:56 PM
  #14  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (4)
 
180ls1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,528
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

you will want better valvesprings. Ls6 valvesprings barley work for the ls6 cam and there have been quite a few of those that break on a stock ls6 engine. Not to mention the ls6 valves are hollow stem and smaller making them a lot lighter then the l92 ones.
Old 12-26-2010, 05:44 PM
  #15  
12 Second Club
iTrader: (20)
 
litle88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Burbank, Illinois
Posts: 2,561
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by SweetS10V8
how much did they mill? Milling from 74cc to 65cc is a LONG way. Do you have pistons with reliefs?
Yes Sir, I have -2cc valve reliefs.
Old 12-27-2010, 05:01 PM
  #16  
TECH Apprentice
Thread Starter
iTrader: (12)
 
bfurches's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western, MA
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

Guys, thanks for all the responses...

Just to clarify, I am referring to the use of the said cam in a L92 engine (not a 6.0L or any other variant with l92 heads, but an actual, off the assemble line L92 6.2L)

With that being said... the cam that deuce4935 recommended sounds VERY interesting. "GM Showroom Stock cam pt#88958606, @.050 239*int/251*exh, 0.570" lift int and exh on a 106"

I know I am getting into an area that may be hard to answer without measuring actual PTV clearance... BUT ...lets say I decided to mill my heads just .020 and run a standard thickness head gasket...Could I get away with running this cam? It seems to have a really tight LSA, but I agree with deuce4935 ...that on a carb motor, this should be a pretty aggressive combo!

Any input? Sorry for the novice question as far as clearances lol. I very well may just need to measure to figure it out, but just trying to get a ball-park of where I stand.

Thanks again for all the responses!
Old 12-27-2010, 08:51 PM
  #17  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (2)
 
deuce4935's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 759
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Here are 2 more GMPP cams that look very promising.
Stage 2:

Advertised Duration (I/E) 290/305
Duration @ 0.050 227/239
LSA 108
Lift (w/1.7) 0.551/0.551
Lift (w/1.8) 0.583/0.583

LS7 engine-dyno with the "Stage 2" cam results show;
554hp at 6200rpm – plus 35hp over the stock LS7 cam
508ft-lbs @ 4800rpm – over 440ft-lbs of torque from 3200 to 6500rpm’s
$374.99

Stage 3:

Advertised Duration (I/E) 294/335
Durartion @ 0.050’ 233/276
LSA 107
Lift (w/1.7) 0.595/0.595
Lift (w/1.8) 0.630/0.630

LS7 engine-dyno results with "Stage 3" cam show;
600hp @ 6800rpm
526ft-lbs @ 4900rpm – over 450ft-lbs from 3200 to 6800rpm’s
$374.99
Almost forgot the pt numbers,Stage 2 Cam part #88958722, Stage 3 Cam part #88958723.
Old 12-27-2010, 09:07 PM
  #18  
TECH Apprentice
Thread Starter
iTrader: (12)
 
bfurches's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western, MA
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

deuce4935 ...those also look appealing for a carb engine. I believe the stage 2 may fit, but I think I would have some PTV clearance issues with the stage 3...

Stage 2 seems like it would be a good fit. Appears to be a little more aggressive then the ASA but not by a lot, which is exactly what im looking for. That may be the cam I try and run with. Does anyone know what the rough operating rang of this cam would be, or have a dyno chart?



Quick Reply: GM ASA Cam in a L92 6.2L



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:02 PM.