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Old 01-17-2012, 11:56 AM
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Hey guys, decided to go custom and get what I want. Questions about the LSA and ICL... Lunati is going to do my cam and I want to get this figured out.

What I want is some opinions on LSA and ICL lift is staying lower, I want to have snappy torque and mean idle but not stupid crazy! I dont want a peaky or high rpm cam, what I want is allot of mid range power with a nice snap when you hit the gas at mid rpms. I was think about running the GM ASA cam, I LOVE the sound and it seems to make simular power to what I want but the lift is to low for me.

That cam 226/236 110 but only .525 lift. Does anyone know what the ICL of the ASA cam is?

My Numbers for lunati so far

226/230 110/108 .555/.555 so a little less exhaust duration and a bit more lift. I am thinking this would have a nice lope and the torque would come in fast to get this weight moving.
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226/230 110/108 .555/.555

That cam will suck on an Ls3, just my .02 you need at leat 10* more duration on the exhaust side. The ASA cam would be better IMHO.
Now I don't understand is the above cam a 110 +2* advanced? Making in a 108? Is that what your trying to say? Or is that what you are trying to figure out?
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Here are some calculators you can use. Try the ones on the left. Hope that helps?

http://www.wallaceracing.com/Calculators.htm
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Ya thats what I am trying to figure out, 110/108 would be +2 advance right... but that make it a 108 though... OK so maybe 112/110 then right, that would make it a 110 with 2 advance then.

SO what do you think of this then, 224/236 112/110, or do I do 110 striaght up? I dont want to much duration... remember I want allot of mid range power and not have to spin this thing much higher. Not looking for max effort right now, just something fun untill I have it paid off then I will get crazy with it.

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Originally Posted by sweetC5
Hey guys, decided to go custom and get what I want. Questions about the LSA and ICL... Lunati is going to do my cam and I want to get this figured out.

What I want is some opinions on LSA and ICL lift is staying lower, I want to have snappy torque and mean idle but not stupid crazy! I dont want a peaky or high rpm cam, what I want is allot of mid range power with a nice snap when you hit the gas at mid rpms. I was think about running the GM ASA cam, I LOVE the sound and it seems to make simular power to what I want but the lift is to low for me.

That cam 226/236 110 but only .525 lift. Does anyone know what the ICL of the ASA cam is?

My Numbers for lunati so far

226/230 110/108 .555/.555 so a little less exhaust duration and a bit more lift. I am thinking this would have a nice lope and the torque would come in fast to get this weight moving.
113-114LSA and 109-110ICL
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What if I copy the ASA 226/236 110 stight up and just add the lift to .550 The ASA cam seems to make around 450 to the wheels in a ls3 and has the torque and sound I want but I think it can do better with a little more lift. Plus I can get it ground in a single bolt like the stock ls3 cam.
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Originally Posted by sweetC5
What if I copy the ASA 226/236 110 stight up and just add the lift to .550 The ASA cam seems to make around 450 to the wheels in a ls3 and has the torque and sound I want but I think it can do better with a little more lift. Plus I can get it ground in a single bolt like the stock ls3 cam.
I would add more intake lift and spread the LSA out more.
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Originally Posted by JPH
113-114LSA and 109-110ICL
What would you run for duration with a 113? Most mild cams I hear on a 113 have a very smooth idle. Thats what I dont want, basicly I want the mild cam but I want some sound too! Most of the mild shelf cams with the lift and duration numbers I want have a smooth idle with the exception of the asa cam, has the idle but not the lift I want.
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Originally Posted by sweetC5
What would you run for duration with a 113? Most mild cams I hear on a 113 have a very smooth idle. Thats what I dont want, basicly I want the mild cam but I want some sound too! Most of the mild shelf cams with the lift and duration numbers I want have a smooth idle with the exception of the asa cam, has the idle but not the lift I want.
What's your setup? Auto or 6spd?
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Get 112 lsa
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6 speed with stock 3.42 gears... I dont want a crazy idle thats gonna be crap on the street but I want it to lope some. What would this run like? 226/234 112/110 I want the tight lsa for the fast peak in torque and sound... So basicly I want good strong mid range and it to come in fast, strong and be done by 6200-6300.
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Originally Posted by sweetC5
6 speed with stock 3.42 gears... I dont want a crazy idle thats gonna be crap on the street but I want it to lope some. What would this run like? 226/234 112/110 I want the tight lsa for the fast peak in torque and sound... So basicly I want good strong mid range and it to come in fast, strong and be done by 6200-6300.
226/234 .590/.590 112+2 looks ok.
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What does the 112+2 part mean?
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Originally Posted by JUSTINSWS6
What does the 112+2 part mean?
112= Lobe Separation Angle
+2= The Amount Of Advance Ground Into The Camshaft (110ICL)
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Agreed, that 112+2 would get you in the power quicker than a 113 or 114. Id go with that. And since your going in I would suggest a melling or some ported pump, good pushrods, an Ls2 chain dampner and a better timing chain. Just my .02 though. Good luck and keep us posted.
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What rockers would you suggest for a 233/239 112 lsa in a ls1?
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Originally Posted by JUSTINSWS6
What rockers would you suggest for a 233/239 112 lsa in a ls1?
Stock with trunion upgrade kit.
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Originally Posted by JPH
226/234 .590/.590 112+2 looks ok.
This cam has 6 degrees of overlap, I would use a 113 + 3 lsa and have your tuner set the idle around 700 for a good lope/cam sound.



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