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Old 09-24-2015, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DietCoke
Blows my mind you're swapping a cam instead of fixing the crap tune, because you're going to have to fix the crap tune anyway.

An idiot and his money... are soon parted.
Why you gotta call the man names?

I mean, does it mean THAT MUCH to you that he does what you say he ought to do?????

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Old 09-24-2015, 01:38 AM
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You don't start a thread asking for advice because you are clueless, then decide not to take anyone's advice because it isn't what you want to hear.

Give it a month.

"My new cam makes no power, and my car still drives like ****, HELP"
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Originally Posted by KW Baraka
Quiet as it's kept, the cubic inches of an engine is MUCH LESS important in determining cam specs than the compression ratio of said engine .

Often times, people step into a huge pile of crap because they put a big-assed cam into a stroker just because it was a stroker.

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Exactly, as I reused my 234/242 114 cam from my 346 (that had light throttle/low RPM surge/buck) into a 418. The drive ability only slightly improved. So I went with a 234/242 117+2 cam. Now the car drives 10x better, still has stupid bottom end and has more mid range to top end power due to the earlier exhaust valve opening. I like driving my car again!

Now if the car was an auto with a 4000 rpm stall convertor, then you can use a much larger cam compared to a manual trans.

For the OP's car, I would go with a Cam Motion 226/242/.620/.600 115+4 cam. This cam will make very good power in a LS3 418, and have very nice manners.

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I had an expert motor and tuner builder design me a cam. He first tweeked the tune for the cam in the car. Made it much better, just to show me, Then swapped the cam for a custom one he made. And what a difference for street power . Power starts off much much stronger at low rpm. Feels like the car has way more power because it's always there!! Drives just like my stock 2001 camaro, until you put your foot into it lol However peak hp was lost by 11. Much happier But then again I am just an idiot with my money
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Originally Posted by Evan.steeves
I had an expert motor and tuner builder design me a cam. He first tweeked the tune for the cam in the car. Made it much better, just to show me, Then swapped the cam for a custom one he made. And what a difference for street power . Power starts off much much stronger at low rpm. Feels like the car has way more power because it's always there!! Drives just like my stock 2001 camaro, until you put your foot into it lol However peak hp was lost by 11. Much happier But then again I am just an idiot with my money
sounds good. so what were the specs on the new cam?
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Originally Posted by Evan.steeves
I had an expert motor and tuner builder design me a cam. He first tweeked the tune for the cam in the car. Made it much better, just to show me, Then swapped the cam for a custom one he made. And what a difference for street power . Power starts off much much stronger at low rpm. Feels like the car has way more power because it's always there!! Drives just like my stock 2001 camaro, until you put your foot into it lol However peak hp was lost by 11.

Much happier

But then again I am just an idiot with my money
Congrats! At the end of the day, it's ONLY about you and what YOU like.

Have fun! Be safe!!

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Originally Posted by 03EBZ06
....so what were the specs on the new cam?
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Originally Posted by Evan.steeves
I had an expert motor and tuner builder design me a cam. He first tweeked the tune for the cam in the car. Made it much better, just to show me, Then swapped the cam for a custom one he made. And what a difference for street power . Power starts off much much stronger at low rpm. Feels like the car has way more power because it's always there!! Drives just like my stock 2001 camaro, until you put your foot into it lol However peak hp was lost by 11. Much happier But then again I am just an idiot with my money
Nice.

I went through a similar swap and only lost peak HP, but gained 50 ftlbs of torque in the bottom end going from a 241/251 112 to a 231/239 115:

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Looking at the graph, I would keep the bigger cam regardless. Yes, more torque below 3000 rpm with the smaller cam, but I don't think you'll be driving under 3k to have fun.
OP, I would suggest keeping the bigger cam and OPTIMIZE tuning. I guarantee it will be more fun to drive, as well as it will keep pulling on the big end revving from 2500-6500 rpm. Just my 2 cents, but what do I know.GL
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Originally Posted by BOLO
Looking at the graph, I would keep the bigger cam regardless. Yes, more torque below 3000 rpm with the smaller cam, but I don't think you'll be driving under 3k to have fun.
OP, I would suggest keeping the bigger cam and OPTIMIZE tuning. I guarantee it will be more fun to drive, as well as it will keep pulling on the big end revving from 2500-6500 rpm. Just my 2 cents, but what do I know.GL
lol

I had drivability issues out the *** with that larger cam and hated driving the car. The car is 100% more fun to drive with the cam I have now.
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I had TSP build me a similar long block with almost the exact same cam a few years back and had some of the same issues. My tuner just kept working on the tune and after a couple of hours he got the car driving like stock. I have a few thousand miles already on this set up with no issues. I have no issues with low end torque.

My car made 565 RWHP and 510 RWTQ NA thru a M6, 12 both 4:30 gear, 28' MT drag slick.

Message me if you have any questions
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Originally Posted by 4U2NV-SS
....My tuner just kept working on the tune and after a couple of hours he got the car driving like stock....
Who is the super tuner that got a motor with that cam to drive like stock?
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Originally Posted by hiltsy855
Who is the super tuner that got a motor with that cam to drive like stock?
LOL........I'd like to know this, too!

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When I talked to TSP about building a 416 with great street manners in mind they suggested nothing less then the 233/239 113 cam and even said that would be kind of small. Something around a 238/242 was recommended with cathedral heads.
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Originally Posted by KW Baraka
LOL........I'd like to know this, too!

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I'm pretty sure I know who the tuner is, if it's the same guy that did all of his previous tuning.
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Still waiting on the reveal of the mysterious "super tuner" that makes big cams drive like stock....
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Hell, I have a cam with 16 degrees of overlap drive pretty much like stock in my 346.

I would expect you could add 8-12 degrees more overlap in a 418 and it'd still drive similar to what I have based on the cubic inches.
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The LS3 heads with their larger intake valves do not like overlap when it comes to street driving.
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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
Hell, I have a cam with 16 degrees of overlap drive pretty much like stock in my 346....
But it's all so opinion-based. One guy's "drives pretty much like stock" could mean unacceptable bucking to another. I read a post where a guy said his big-cam car drove "like stock". Someone went for a drive with the guy and he never had the thing under 2500 rpm LOL. Ya, it probably drives like stock under those conditions.
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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
Hell, I have a cam with 16 degrees of overlap drive pretty much like stock in my 346.

I would expect you could add 8-12 degrees more overlap in a 418 and it'd still drive similar to what I have based on the cubic inches.
Cubic inches will not compensate for the effects of overlap.

This falls under the same flawed theory that says; 'with essentially no other changes except cubic inches, a 'bigger' cam can be used....and the more cubic inches, the 'bigger' the cam'.

That's a good method for NOT optimizing and engine.

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