Powder Metal Seats?
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Nope! Federal Mogul is making both guides and seats from a proprietary powder metal recipe of different alloys. Including tool steel, copper and other alloying compounds. They also claim they are easily machined.
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OK, but the guides would have the copper in them, but the seats would not. The metallurgical properties of each need to be so different that they would share no characteristics between them. Guides need to be low friction, a bit on the soft side, where seats must be very hard and impact resistant. Nearly polar opposites. You mention different alloys. That is a given. I think you have the needs of the two components confused.
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Federal Mogul knows more than we do! I'm not sure where you get your information but here is the propaganda from the horse's mouth.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300502690.html
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300502690.html
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Call them and see who they are distributing thru, that is, if they are even available yet. Get your info from the horse's mouth. An internet forum is not where to go for info like this
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OK, call WS6store, a sponsor/vendor here. They might have a heads-up on this stuff.
Sorry if I sounded rude, but it just sounded too far out in left field to be real. This could be interesting....
Sorry if I sounded rude, but it just sounded too far out in left field to be real. This could be interesting....
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I'd call CHE for any seat or valve guide needs. They make them for most of the aftermarket and OEM race engine companies.
http://cheprecision.com/html/home.html
They have other proprietary materials that they have tested extensively. They may not be able to sell a single set to you, but they can probably put you in touch with a distributor/vendor that can.
http://cheprecision.com/html/home.html
They have other proprietary materials that they have tested extensively. They may not be able to sell a single set to you, but they can probably put you in touch with a distributor/vendor that can.
OK, but the guides would have the copper in them, but the seats would not. The metallurgical properties of each need to be so different that they would share no characteristics between them. Guides need to be low friction, a bit on the soft side, where seats must be very hard and impact resistant. Nearly polar opposites. You mention different alloys. That is a given. I think you have the needs of the two components confused.
Durabond has their “Killer Bee” line of copper infused valve seats
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Well, I guess my metallurgical knowledge mental database is a WEEE bit behind! lol Thank you guys for not chewing me out as much as I deserved!