Generation IV Internal Engine 2005-2014 LS2 | LS3 | LS7 | L92 | LS9

Projekt Lazarus - Numbers Posted!!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 29, 2020 | 08:45 PM
  #1301  
98_WS6_M6's Avatar
9 Second Club
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,296
Likes: 98
From: NW Indiana
Default

Originally Posted by Launch
I agree. Once properly sorted (the fouled spark plug issue) this will be a wicked n/a street car. I'm thinking of traction difficulties though.. same as with your 434ci and your car. I think if we ever get out of this covid lockdown, a chassis shop and tubs are in order. I was thinking of doing it to mine before the covid bs began. Darth could probably do a whole custom 1/2 chassis rear clip on his car with some 31"x18.50" hoosier QTP tires under there and not get hassled by police over legality like we do over in australia? Imagine all that traction on the street from the hit....
Man I like how you think lol
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2020 | 09:04 PM
  #1302  
grubinski's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
15 Year Member
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 641
Likes: 572
From: Carnation, WA
Default

Originally Posted by Launch
I think if we ever get out of this covid lockdown, a chassis shop and tubs are in order.
That's fine if you see your car as a drag car only. And perhaps Darth does, given his (F'ing awesome) ~700 HP engine. It's an F body with a solid axle rear end.

I'd never do that to my Miata. It's intended to turn corners, and it wouldn't turn corners on giant drag slicks. I know I give up straight line capability (I'm on 225 street radials, LOL), but I don't care.
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2020 | 12:06 PM
  #1303  
Darth_V8r's Avatar
Thread Starter
Moderator
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 10,451
Likes: 1,872
From: My own internal universe
Default

Guys thank you for all the kind words. Both very humbling and very much appreciated. There is so much to reply to and yest, to try would just be a multiquote from hell. I had to catch up on stuff around the house, so I have pretty much parked it since Friday evening. Got family coming over today. Life steps in, etc.

To answer the big question, next steps -- I really need to get the intake off and see what's going on in port 3. Tony's choo-choo-train comment is not far off actually. I put a vid on here from day 1 when we were trying to handle some weird breaking up at 2800 it wants to do. I stepped out of the car and the guy held it at that spot. My hope is it is nothing but an epoxy failure and I can re-epoxy it and it holds better. We will see, anyway. But it sucks to drive and then your clothes smell like burnt oil the rest of the day, so I gotta fix that before I do much else. It's also impossible to tell what is ring seal and what is leaking in.

I also put a vid in that everyone wants to se. Pull #6 from day 1. You can tell at the end of the pull, it was still pulling hard. I drove all the dynos day 2, and I was preoccupied with trying to make equipment changes quickly since I was paying by the hour. But anyway, enjoy!
Attached Files
File Type: mov
Choo-Choo-Train.mov (724.1 KB, 82 views)
File Type: mov
Dyno_Run6.mov (3.34 MB, 81 views)
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2020 | 12:37 PM
  #1304  
01CamaroSSTx's Avatar
11 Second Club
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 5,977
Likes: 2,280
From: Conroe, Texas
Default

Yup she's burning oil alright...
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2020 | 02:57 PM
  #1305  
Bspeck82's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 1,758
Likes: 442
Default

Maybe just missed/forgot to silicone the rocker bolt for that port?
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2020 | 04:46 PM
  #1306  
Double06's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 740
Likes: 272
From: Potomac, MD
Default

Do these heads have a through bolt into intake port from rocker arms?
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2020 | 05:15 PM
  #1307  
ramairws6's Avatar
9 Second Club
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
iTrader: (33)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,013
Likes: 85
From: Hicksville MN!
Default

My car did the exact same thing on the first 2 pulls. On the third pull it was just like someone hit a switch and the smoke just quit instantly and never returned. I was a little worried at first though for sure.
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2020 | 08:47 PM
  #1308  
Darth_V8r's Avatar
Thread Starter
Moderator
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 10,451
Likes: 1,872
From: My own internal universe
Default

Originally Posted by 01CamaroSSTx
Yup she's burning oil alright...
Originally Posted by Bspeck82
Maybe just missed/forgot to silicone the rocker bolt for that port?
Originally Posted by Double06
Do these heads have a through bolt into intake port from rocker arms?
Originally Posted by ramairws6
My car did the exact same thing on the first 2 pulls. On the third pull it was just like someone hit a switch and the smoke just quit instantly and never returned. I was a little worried at first though for sure.
I was kind of being coy about it, since I am 95% sure what the issue is. But I was holding out hope it was something else. So set the way-back machine to something like 600 posts ago when I tried to start the motor when it was a used 428 with only a heads-can-intake swap.

If everyone remembers I missed the lifter cut with the pushrod, bent the rod, bound up and broke the link bar, spun the lifter, and the busted link bar punched a hole in the intake runner from underneath. All that happened on number 6.

We epoxied it, and my fear is the early overheat issue I was having after THIS first start caused the epoxy patch to fail. I moved the head to driver side because on a F car that is the easier side. Which means the epoxy patch would be on 3, which is the one that is oil fouling in a single pull.

I was going to wait until I got the intake off to confirm it and post knowledge vs speculation but thought I would at least remind everyone what happened before.

Here's how #3 looked every pull even after putting a brand new plug in.
Projekt Lazarus - Numbers Posted!!-photo620.jpg
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2020 | 08:59 PM
  #1309  
ramairws6's Avatar
9 Second Club
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
iTrader: (33)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,013
Likes: 85
From: Hicksville MN!
Default

Well i sure hope you are correct and you sure as hell are more patient then me when it comes to wanting to know lol
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2020 | 09:13 PM
  #1310  
Bspeck82's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 1,758
Likes: 442
Default

So I'm not the only one who thinks it's extremely nerve racking putting pushrods in the engine while is in the car?
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2020 | 02:12 AM
  #1311  
Mickyinks's Avatar
TECH Resident
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 818
Likes: 261
From: Melbourne, Australia
Default

Great results mate....You'd have to be happy
Why epoxy the head. Just weld it and be done with it.....
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2020 | 05:28 AM
  #1312  
rkupon1's Avatar
TECH Addict
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,054
Likes: 798
From: Bayville,NJ
Default

Thats the problem with repairs like that. Always seems 50/50 and will be in the back of your mind forever. I for sure would have bought a new head knowing I just dont get lucky like that. But hey, he took a shot. At least Jake is transparent and we ll 100% know for sure soon.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2020 | 07:38 AM
  #1313  
Double06's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 740
Likes: 272
From: Potomac, MD
Default

Good luck with your investigation next week here. BTW your 7,000 rpm torque is 90% of your 5,000 rpm tq which is outstanding (480/530 - I am going off your 650 hp run), the later ones were even better.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2020 | 08:52 AM
  #1314  
Darth_V8r's Avatar
Thread Starter
Moderator
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 10,451
Likes: 1,872
From: My own internal universe
Default

Originally Posted by ramairws6
Well i sure hope you are correct and you sure as hell are more patient then me when it comes to wanting to know lol
Sometimes numbness comes over as patience. This was such a hard build, and I REALLY don't want to pull the head off. I mean REALLY.

Originally Posted by Bspeck82
So I'm not the only one who thinks it's extremely nerve racking putting pushrods in the engine while is in the car?
Not at all. I hate it. I'm always afraid I'm going to drop the pushrod into the galley and have to pull the heads back off.

Originally Posted by Mickyinks
Great results mate....You'd have to be happy
Why epoxy the head. Just weld it and be done with it.....
We wanted to. Couldn't get both the electrode and the fill metal in there. Kind of in a bad spot. I'm actually considering drilling the hole out bigger, tapping for a MIP plug, epoxying the threads, running a plug in there, and then grinding it smooth with the port.

Originally Posted by rkupon1
Thats the problem with repairs like that. Always seems 50/50 and will be in the back of your mind forever. I for sure would have bought a new head knowing I just dont get lucky like that. But hey, he took a shot. At least Jake is transparent and we ll 100% know for sure soon.
I hear you, but so much one-off stuff went into these heads, I'd pay in one head what most pay for two. Trying to salvage it any way I can.

Originally Posted by Double06
Good luck with your investigation next week here. BTW your 7,000 rpm torque is 90% of your 5,000 rpm tq which is outstanding (480/530 - I am going off your 650 hp run), the later ones were even better.
I was stoked at the torque curve. I was surprised at how the tires changed the torque curve on the second day. That was really neat to see first hand.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2020 | 09:42 AM
  #1315  
bbond105's Avatar
TECH Junkie
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 3,046
Likes: 713
From: Poplarville, MS
Default

Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
We wanted to. Couldn't get both the electrode and the fill metal in there. Kind of in a bad spot. I'm actually considering drilling the hole out bigger, tapping for a MIP plug, epoxying the threads, running a plug in there, and then grinding it smooth with the port.
This is the route that I would take if you can get a drill and tap in there, then stall a brass plug and grind.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2020 | 07:47 PM
  #1316  
Darth_V8r's Avatar
Thread Starter
Moderator
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 10,451
Likes: 1,872
From: My own internal universe
Default

No but I have done standard compression tests and all holes are within 5 psi of 200. Motor is actually sealing up.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2020 | 08:10 PM
  #1317  
ddnspider's Avatar
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (26)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,628
Likes: 1,778
From: FL
Default

I just went through something similar with high temp JB weld melting away lol.
Reply
Old Sep 1, 2020 | 05:51 AM
  #1318  
Tuskyz28's Avatar
TECH Veteran
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,891
Likes: 703
From: Mississippi
Default

TIG welder
Reply
Old Sep 1, 2020 | 06:15 AM
  #1319  
ddnspider's Avatar
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (26)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,628
Likes: 1,778
From: FL
Default

Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
...

We wanted to. Couldn't get both the electrode and the fill metal in there. Kind of in a bad spot...
.....
Reply
Old Sep 1, 2020 | 06:50 AM
  #1320  
lazerlemonta's Avatar
9 Second Club
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 818
Likes: 215
From: VA
Default

Originally Posted by Tuskyz28
TIG welder
Mig is the only hope and it will be a **** show....... as far as welding it goes
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:00 AM.