Summit stage 5 cam, c6 build progress.
Hey everyone, been a minute .Got some stuff in the works for this build hopefully have it all in a month or so.
Prc 260s with a small chamber
Ported Highram setup
Much larger cam
Johnson 2116s
Prc 260s with a small chamber
Ported Highram setup
Much larger cam
Johnson 2116s
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Note Mavn look @ the runner length differences from all the High Ram intakes: Ls3,7,1
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If you believe 15 Hp @ 13 Comp with the benifit of a Straight Shot To the back of the Valve....🤣😂 Fake News and I Know a guy Who sales Cams as a Private Firm who goes by Smallwood.
also hope you Have over 700+ Lift.
I understand... I've learned to let people be....
But
Lift and Rpm is Hp with the added benifit of Compression whether 11.0 or 14.8
Stability is the Reason for the Purchase with Added Lift in mind.
You've made a Great Street Race engine with all the Good Basic ideas but your Missing the
Brains of the Operation and a Hydraulic mechanism isn't Hard it's Soft with a Bleed down rate. This 💩 is moving and it needs a Bleed Down... Common Sense I'd Think and we talking HP.....
Add 20 to 25 hp...
also hope you Have over 700+ Lift.
I understand... I've learned to let people be....
But
Lift and Rpm is Hp with the added benifit of Compression whether 11.0 or 14.8
Stability is the Reason for the Purchase with Added Lift in mind.
You've made a Great Street Race engine with all the Good Basic ideas but your Missing the
Brains of the Operation and a Hydraulic mechanism isn't Hard it's Soft with a Bleed down rate. This 💩 is moving and it needs a Bleed Down... Common Sense I'd Think and we talking HP.....
Add 20 to 25 hp...
Last edited by Corona; Sep 20, 2021 at 09:02 AM.
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Reason I tell you this is I own the same 408 with Less compression and Talked to and have seen Everything from 600 to 900 with a Lq4 or a Ls3 block na... Some I'd contact on Here, YB or What ever rock I found a Build under....
I Don't BS with Hp it's my Love and Hobby..... I do this and I shouldn't as it's a Money pit and I Ain't Rich.... Reasons I Skip people, places and things and go Straight to the Source and They Must be *Non Bias*....
Straight Facts ...👉 from the 1%er Group. They build Race Air Pumps for a Living. 👍
I choose Who I learn From and it's Not about a Sale.
I Don't BS with Hp it's my Love and Hobby..... I do this and I shouldn't as it's a Money pit and I Ain't Rich.... Reasons I Skip people, places and things and go Straight to the Source and They Must be *Non Bias*....
Straight Facts ...👉 from the 1%er Group. They build Race Air Pumps for a Living. 👍
I choose Who I learn From and it's Not about a Sale.
If you believe 15 Hp @ 13 Comp with the benifit of a Straight Shot To the back of the Valve....🤣😂 Fake News and I Know a guy Who sales Cams as a Private Firm who goes by Smallwood.
also hope you Have over 700+ Lift.
I understand... I've learned to let people be....
But
Lift and Rpm is Hp with the added benifit of Compression whether 11.0 or 14.8
Stability is the Reason for the Purchase with Added Lift in mind.
You've made a Great Street Race engine with all the Good Basic ideas but your Missing the
Brains of the Operation and a Hydraulic mechanism isn't Hard it's Soft with a Bleed down rate. This 💩 is moving and it needs a Bleed Down... Common Sense I'd Think and we talking HP.....
Add 20 to 25 hp...
also hope you Have over 700+ Lift.
I understand... I've learned to let people be....
But
Lift and Rpm is Hp with the added benifit of Compression whether 11.0 or 14.8
Stability is the Reason for the Purchase with Added Lift in mind.
You've made a Great Street Race engine with all the Good Basic ideas but your Missing the
Brains of the Operation and a Hydraulic mechanism isn't Hard it's Soft with a Bleed down rate. This 💩 is moving and it needs a Bleed Down... Common Sense I'd Think and we talking HP.....
Add 20 to 25 hp...
This is a daily driven Corvette. Not a max effort thing. I'm pretty sure everyone knows who Martin is. And I dont agree that a solid would be 55hp over my hyd. Because if I went solid I would not be running one big enough to make that much more. This will be like a .660 ish lift cam . If I went solid I would do the same.
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Here the Kicker to What you said ....If you Purchase good Springs Meant for the Lift asked for Whether .660 or .760 How does the spring know it's A daily driver? Also how would it affect Driveability?
It doesn't. They sell springs and cams based on a Endurance line whether solid or hydraulic.
I get it Mavn...no Biggie. I just didn't get a Entirely new top end and staying with a Hydraulic....as it's Street but your going with a bigger cam..
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Also I didn't say a 55 hp Gain 20 to 25....the 15 Hp gain spoken on was Probably with Tony Mamo involved & it used less Compression and Plastic intake on a 383 @ below 11.3 compression.
Bigger engine Better straight line of sight using 13+ compression Wouldn't make more than 15hp. 🤣😂
It doesn't. They sell springs and cams based on a Endurance line whether solid or hydraulic.
I get it Mavn...no Biggie. I just didn't get a Entirely new top end and staying with a Hydraulic....as it's Street but your going with a bigger cam..
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Also I didn't say a 55 hp Gain 20 to 25....the 15 Hp gain spoken on was Probably with Tony Mamo involved & it used less Compression and Plastic intake on a 383 @ below 11.3 compression.
Bigger engine Better straight line of sight using 13+ compression Wouldn't make more than 15hp. 🤣😂
Last edited by Corona; Sep 20, 2021 at 10:53 AM.
You must have zero experience with ramp rates, lobe design, spring longevity, valve train stability etc. If you think a .760 lift hydraulic will be as daily friendly as a .650 lift lol.
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ramp rates, lobe design, & Match the springs 4 longevity, + add a Shaft Mounted Rocker system 4 valve train stability etc......
What else you got.
Btw .730 lift now, with more than a Few using the lobes on the street... I wonder Who do you think I be running with and Who I'm asking....Did you not see Billy GodBold's email 2 me.
I don't get on tech with questions or make threads as a question about Any subject on Here...
Y? I'd rather not ask a Enthusiast & skip to the Professionals and a question such as What's a Street lobe with + 750 lift that Won't Kill the Valve train.
You do know Holding the Valve open past Peak flow = Power.
Max lift and longevity aren't always directly correlated. There's a lot more to it than just max lift. All the cams with low 600's lift for LS stuff is more a factor of rocker geometry with stock rockers than valvetrain life. The longer the duration the higher lift you can run without the ramps being overly aggressive. A .550 lift truck cam may be worse on valvesprings than a .750 lift 250+ duration lobe.
To also quote Billy G. from when we were talking about my cam -
The higher lift lobe might actually be easier on parts. I think this is why a lot of the marine cam lobes had real high lift compared to some of the street stuff.
PAC has a few spring options for 700 and higher lift packages that should live on the street for considerable miles.
Eric at HPR is running > 700 lift hydraulics on his 468's in street trim from what I've seen but I don't think I've ever seen all details have been posted about springs, cam grind, and heads.
With a hi-ram, bigger cam, and better heads it'd be worth the effort to shoot for more lift.
To also quote Billy G. from when we were talking about my cam -
If the spring is happy at that lift (normal IH and not too close to bind) the design will actually be more stable at higher lift (less loft and crash over the nose at RPM).
PAC has a few spring options for 700 and higher lift packages that should live on the street for considerable miles.
Eric at HPR is running > 700 lift hydraulics on his 468's in street trim from what I've seen but I don't think I've ever seen all details have been posted about springs, cam grind, and heads.
With a hi-ram, bigger cam, and better heads it'd be worth the effort to shoot for more lift.
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When a Person starts using High Rams and 13+ compression it's A Known Common Sense thing with Opening the Valves More with Lift.
Filling the Damn Cylinder? all the other 💩 is just a conversation... A engine is as simple as breathing being a Human. Over thinking it leads to questions and Doubts....
How do I know? Because I've Pretty Much asked Every Known Question to the Higher ups and their at the top of there Field....
It's the Filling of the Cylinder. Also theirs a Formula for a given Combination.....if you get the basics you can Design and or spec your Own stuff without Asking Anyone 💩 as it's just Math....
Filling the Damn Cylinder? all the other 💩 is just a conversation... A engine is as simple as breathing being a Human. Over thinking it leads to questions and Doubts....
How do I know? Because I've Pretty Much asked Every Known Question to the Higher ups and their at the top of there Field....
It's the Filling of the Cylinder. Also theirs a Formula for a given Combination.....if you get the basics you can Design and or spec your Own stuff without Asking Anyone 💩 as it's just Math....
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Oh I've shown pics....got 🖕 the last short block payment build now Being Done By H-Squared...
Mavn I'll Forget More than you'll ever Learn or Know. Ask me How do I know ....look who your looking to for answers... Enthusiast and Vendor's.
Go as Darin Morgan or Eric Roycroft, Chris U, Chris Frank, Richard @ WCCH, Vengeance racing any Known group known for making Hp...Eric @ HPR?
I know the Basis on How these guys are making Proven Hp.. Ask about Flyin's 700 to 800 Hp 418 ls3
I knew the build Hp Numbers before it touched the Dyno...🤣😂
@ 13+ compression a Solid Roller places you near 800 Hp Depending on rpm and How the timing is setup 🤫
Mavn I'll Forget More than you'll ever Learn or Know. Ask me How do I know ....look who your looking to for answers... Enthusiast and Vendor's.
Go as Darin Morgan or Eric Roycroft, Chris U, Chris Frank, Richard @ WCCH, Vengeance racing any Known group known for making Hp...Eric @ HPR?
I know the Basis on How these guys are making Proven Hp.. Ask about Flyin's 700 to 800 Hp 418 ls3
I knew the build Hp Numbers before it touched the Dyno...🤣😂
@ 13+ compression a Solid Roller places you near 800 Hp Depending on rpm and How the timing is setup 🤫
Last edited by Corona; Sep 20, 2021 at 10:39 PM.
Oh I've shown pics....got 🖕 the last short block payment build now Being Done By H-Squared...
Mavn I'll Forget More than you'll ever Learn or Know. Ask me How do I know ....look who your looking to for answers... Enthusiast and Vendor's.
Go as Darin Morgan or Eric Roycroft, Chris U, Chris Frank, Richard @ WCCH, Vengeance racing any Known group known for making Hp...Eric @ HPR?
I know the Basis on How these guys are making Proven Hp.. Ask about Flyin's 700 to 800 Hp 418 ls3
I knew the build Hp Numbers before it touched the Dyno...🤣😂
@ 13+ compression a Solid Roller places you near 800 Hp Depending on rpm and How the timing is setup 🤫
Mavn I'll Forget More than you'll ever Learn or Know. Ask me How do I know ....look who your looking to for answers... Enthusiast and Vendor's.
Go as Darin Morgan or Eric Roycroft, Chris U, Chris Frank, Richard @ WCCH, Vengeance racing any Known group known for making Hp...Eric @ HPR?
I know the Basis on How these guys are making Proven Hp.. Ask about Flyin's 700 to 800 Hp 418 ls3
I knew the build Hp Numbers before it touched the Dyno...🤣😂
@ 13+ compression a Solid Roller places you near 800 Hp Depending on rpm and How the timing is setup 🤫
If you've forgotten more than ive ever known . Why do you not have anything to prove that? No engines, no track times, nothing. 🤔
