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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavn
It has 3.46 out back

Heres the trans ratios

4.06 2.4 1.58 1.19 1.00 0.87
Fun Car👍 1st gear isn't need with the added Stroke 🤣😂
Your second gear is a T400/4l80 1st gear
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Corona
Fun Car👍 1st gear isn't need with the added Stroke 🤣😂
Your second gear is a T400/4l80 1st gear
Manual 08 BMW 335i . 😉
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 04:37 PM
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I’d go either TFS 235 or Mamo235s if cost isn’t a priority. But it generally is. I’d go a lot smaller cam if you keep the rear gear. But I don’t know ****. I’d ask Darth what he thought
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 05:11 PM
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+1 for Mill the stock heads and have a good time

A 2.165" valve on a 4.030" isn't the gold standard, but I wouldn't say the difference is material when cost, the gains, and the goals are factored in.
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FinalCam
+1 for Mill the stock heads and have a good time

A 2.165" valve on a 4.030" isn't the gold standard, but I wouldn't say the difference is material when cost, the gains, and the goals are factored in.
This was my thoughts and why it was my 1st idea
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavn
This was my thoughts and why it was my 1st idea
I run a 4.01" bore x 4" stroke and I am highly considering ls3 heads/intake manifold & tb to get myself into the 9s NA when my ls6 intake, throttle body and heads don't get me there.

Roll with it and report back to us brother!
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1367
I’d go either TFS 235 or Mamo235s if cost isn’t a priority. But it generally is. I’d go a lot smaller cam if you keep the rear gear.
👍 weight also needed
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Old Jun 3, 2021 | 09:19 AM
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Mast small bores. Tsp 227. Tsp 225. Tfs 225 ls2. Ported 799 hollow intake valves. Many good options.
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They'll all Produce about the Same Hp..... Y? Because there's Not Enough Engine Nor Air Being Asked to see the limits of any of the heads one Could/Would think of. Only major Difference will be in where Peak Tq happens and the Differences from the Baseline up to Peak.
Common thing to do is Shorten the cam and add more Lift.

When these Guys switch heads if you look Most Times They Add More Compression and or Cam/ intake. Was it the heads or All the new stuff?

If your Budget is limited 1 can use the Cheaper Head with a Cam a few degrees Shorter than What you may have Thought. Also add lift if one can to Fill the Runner. Hp is nothing more than Fuel being Burned, the More in the Bigger the Bang.

Factory Ls3 heads Want Lift. Trick a Head to make Tq Cheap.
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Old Jun 3, 2021 | 12:37 PM
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Hmmmm.

Good illustration..with a as is GM Head. As I said take a little back on the Cam.
if one had Ls3 heads 🤔
$450 cam to Help Vs aftermarket Heads, etc for a Non Max effort build/combination. 😒
But if you Got it Spend it. You'll never See a Brinks Truck Following a Hearse/Funeral.

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/ccrp...re-port-heads/

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Originally Posted by lazerlemonta
What gears are you going to put in this thing? If your staying stock your over caming the combo to be a lazy **** lol
Agree need way more gear and compression to somewhat make that cam work, and even then will be lazy compared to a proper setup. Even with 3.70 gear its gonna feel like an NA 5.3L under 5000.

Originally Posted by Mavn
$200 cam vs a $490 Cam to gain what? Maybe 10 hp up top and less spring life. Im good .
Probably gain 50 mid range and lose almost none up top.

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Old Jun 3, 2021 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
Agree need way more gear and compression to somewhat make that cam work, and even then will be lazy compared to a proper setup. Even with 3.70 gear its gonna feel like an NA 5.3L under 5000.



Probably gain 50 mid range and lose almost none up top.
1. just curious how 12:1 isnt enough compression?

2 i never race under 5k rpm. Do you?

Theres are serious questions not being a jackas$

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Old Jun 3, 2021 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavn
1. just curious how 12:1 isnt enough compression?

2 i never race under 5k rpm. Do you?

Theres are serious questions not being a jackas$
​​​​​1) use a DCR calculator to get your compression right. It may want a touch more than 12:1

2) The midrange and where your shifts fall are what makes it fast. I see a **** show brewing w/ that cam, those gears, that trans. That basic motor combo wants a at least a 4.10 gear, probably ideal would be a 4.30/4.56. The trans first gear of 4.00 is going to be a mf'r to make hook and so quick you'll be banging second almost immediately in-air. IDK, it's a lot of mismatched stuff. An auto trans w/ a 5k stall would make it all work a lot better, but that's not going to happen.
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Old Jun 3, 2021 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavn
1. just curious how 12:1 isnt enough compression?

2 i never race under 5k rpm. Do you?

Theres are serious questions not being a jackas$
12:1 is getting started, but low enough to still run boost. My twin turbo street car is over 11:1, so a dedicated NA car i wouldn't mess with anything under 13.

You can start at whatever RPM you want but you have to shift at some point. Having it feel like an NA 5.3 at 5000 and a stock 6.0 at 6000 isnt very sweet. I had a similar cam in a 416 with 3.70 gear, it wasnt as sweet as I wanted it to be, was closer to VTEC than an LS stroker. I guess you can try revving it to 8500 so it only falls to 7000 on the shift.
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Old Jun 4, 2021 | 03:27 PM
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Depending on your budget and or goal. 243s with a good port bigger valves intake/exhaust hydraulic roller deal you can hit 650+ to the tire with some compression.
What's the end goal? Track/Street or more track?
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Old Jun 4, 2021 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavn

Summit Stage 5 Cam
247/255, 113.5 + 2, 625/.615

Either a

TSP SR-3 intake
or a FAST 102
I think that cam with the SR-3 intake would be a turd on the street. The low end would be really low. You would have to rev past 7k rpms to get to the peak hp. It would probably make more peak hp, but not as much average hp as a long runner intake and smaller cam.

I would use the LS3 intake, or the FAST equivalent with LS3 heads. This combo would be much cheaper, and have way more torque down low. I would also use a slightly smaller cam. That's just my preference, though. If you want to rev the **** out of it, then have at it.
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Originally Posted by jrfed
depending on your budget and or goal. 243s with a good port bigger valves intake/exhaust hydraulic roller deal you can hit 650+ to the tire with some compression.
What's the end goal? Track/street or more track?
650+?...
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Originally Posted by JRFed
Depending on your budget and or goal. 243s with a good port bigger valves intake/exhaust hydraulic roller deal you can hit 650+ to the tire with some compression.
What's the end goal? Track/Street or more track?
O.o wut
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Old Jun 5, 2021 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by showdog75
650+?...
yes 650

Eric K of HPR and Greg G built to Go fast Aka Track Combination. Years ago.

The Theory should still Work today in More Modern times. 🤣😂
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There's Rules to this 💩 if you want a good Combination.
One you don't Purchase a 3 or 4 inch Intake runner length and Don't Plan to go to 8500.

It's the Law of Avg's and Where you Grade yourself in between Idle and your Given Peak.

Gear the car Correctly for the: Rpm,Weight, and intended Use.

Pick a head 1st and its Intake. It's a Complete System.
Then cam/springs
Gear it to match ☝️.

The cam Should be Based on the cars Weight and Intended use. Should make for a great Build No Matter What head is used. 😉
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