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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 01:36 PM
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Default What heads for a N/A 408ci?

Never done a N/A A408 before..


What heads would you run?

Milled stock ls3s? How bad do ls3 heads shroud the valves on a 408?

Manual 3100 lb car with IRS

All motor setup to roll race and just be fun on the street

Heres the combo

6.0 block
4.030 bore Wiseco -3cc flat tops
4" stroke

Summit Stage 5 Cam
247/255, 113.5 + 2, 625/.615

Either a

TSP SR-3 intake
or a FAST 102
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 01:44 PM
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Ask Eric Roycroft... I'd say Shrouding isn't Even a Major Concern. It's a LS 1 tech BS conversation to Try and Sell heads.

I maybe Wrong ....but I doubt it. Ask A porter Who's not Trying to Sell u something 4 Facts!

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Btw it's Fake News. How do I know? Dart Ls3 Heads @ 280cc 👈 😂🤣 on a Darn Ls2 402 which Has Nothing different than A Factory Ls3 head.

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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 01:57 PM
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You asked a loaded question BTW.

How does anyone Who Doesn't Port Heads know The Facts on the Question asked?

😏😉 I've asked Every Question Known to Man about anything dealing with a LS HEAD. 🤫

ER will say if it's the Exhaust it's not a Problem Some guys move the Dowels and go with a Smaller Valve.

If you wanna get a aftermarket head Just get 1 but the Shrouding thought isn't Worth the Time nor the idea of Finding X amount of HP. If you wanna Move them Move "Em, on the Dowels.
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 02:04 PM
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Also your Cheating Yourself with that cam LIFT.
Steal the Spec's and give it 650 lift 🤣😂
Cam Motion FTW
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 02:06 PM
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If shrouding isn't an issue on an LS3, it SURE won't be an issue on a 408.
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
If shrouding isn't an issue on an LS3, it SURE won't be an issue on a 408.
Well... LS3 = 4.065" bore, 408 = 4.030", so shrouding is worse on the 408.

But LY6s sure seem to outperform LQ4s....
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Also your Cheating Yourself with that cam LIFT.
Steal the Spec's and give it 650 lift 🤣😂
Cam Motion FTW
Summit is my people. I would never steal their specs and add lift . Thats ridiculous .
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My engine is a 402 and I went with Mamo 235 heads, should make great power and have plenty under the curve. Not saying LS3s won't just the direction I decided to go. Cam is 243/249 .675/.675 114+3 so fairly aggressive. Compression works out to 11.8:1 with DCR in the 8.3s for a pump gas friendly build. Tony estimated in the 630-650hp range, but I'm also doing a Meziere 329 and GZ Vacuum pump.
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Originally Posted by 84ta406
My engine is a 402 and I went with Mamo 235 heads, should make great power and have plenty under the curve. Not saying LS3s won't just the direction I decided to go. Cam is 243/249 .675/.675 114+3 so fairly aggressive. Compression works out to 11.8:1 with DCR in the 8.3s for a pump gas friendly build. Tony estimated in the 630-650hp range, but I'm also doing a Meziere 329 and GZ Vacuum pump.
I love cathedrals . I already have the intakes so thats whats leaning me towards ls3s. I bet that 402 is nasty!
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summit is my people. I would never steal their specs and add lift . Thats ridiculous .
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No Love Nor Loyalty when Talking HP... Just Straight Shooting. 🤔 Summit can Ponder about it Afterwards When purchased With LIFT. 👍
no Love Loss or added. If you get Special treatment on Cost that's A Whole Different Story.
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
If shrouding isn't an issue on an LS3, it SURE won't be an issue on a 408.
Again G
Don't Forget SpeedTrigger
4.005 X 4.00 = 402ci + Dart Ls3 heads = 700fwhp

Does the Dart heads have the Valves Moved?
No...
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 03:22 PM
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Trickflow 235 heads here on a 403 and also on an older customers car that had a very similar setup as mine. Awesome head but it’s cathedral port
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 03:29 PM
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OOOPS I did forget the 408 has a smaller bore. MY BAD!
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 03:43 PM
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Don't worry about heads. They'll be fine. I think the duration is a bit much for a fun street car. Seems more for a max effort build. The 625 lift is good especially with trunion upgraded only stock rocker arms. I would go with fast for fun street car and tsp sr3 for max effort. I guess perhaps reevaluate between fun street car and max effort... Just my 2 cents.
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Corona
🤣😂
No Love Nor Loyalty when Talking HP... Just Straight Shooting. 🤔 Summit can Ponder about it Afterwards When purchased With LIFT. 👍
no Love Loss or added. If you get Special treatment on Cost that's A Whole Different Story.
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$200 cam vs a $490 Cam to gain what? Maybe 10 hp up top and less spring life. Im good .
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 08:35 PM
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👍 Good Springs will last ... But + on cost

Cheaper Cam wins. Keep it Cheap all the way Through. Hp is and will be there with More Cubes your just not Trying to Get after it. Keep it Simple and Fun... 600 hp isn't Asking Much 625 isn't Either.

Out think the 408 Cathedral head Test?

Compare your *cam* and build to the one used in the test. My thoughts are Skip asking just Find something Similar to Set the Mark. It's a Basic Private Fight your Doing. And What You may Want.
Easy Guess Estimate of what you may have Before hand. 👇 Only a cam Difference?

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp...der-head-test/

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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 12:46 AM
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My .02 with that cam (+8 Exhaust Split) and FAST Intake.....
AFR LS3 with hollow intake, solid exhaust valves (100g/99g).
260 CC outflows 280 DART EVERYWHERE
Intake & EXHAUST up to .700"
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 02:04 AM
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👍.

Mast Ls3 heads Vs The Catholic Heads would Be about the Same as the Heads u Listed in terms of Performance?

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What gears are you going to put in this thing? If your staying stock your over caming the combo to be a lazy **** lol
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by lazerlemonta
What gears are you going to put in this thing? If your staying stock your over caming the combo to be a lazy **** lol
It has 3.46 out back

Heres the trans ratios

4.06 2.4 1.58 1.19 1.00 0.87
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