Generation IV Internal Engine 2005-2014 LS2 | LS3 | LS7 | L92 | LS9

Which 15W40 for built LSX?

Old Dec 9, 2021 | 01:21 PM
  #81  
Kawboom's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 532
Likes: 630
Default

What is in your oil will be in your exhaust, and some metal compounds can play nasty with the fairly chemically fragile catalytic converter materials.
Reply
Old Dec 9, 2021 | 01:50 PM
  #82  
G Atsma's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 22,289
Likes: 3,615
From: Central Cal.
Default

Originally Posted by Kawboom
What is in your oil will be in your exhaust, and some metal compounds can play nasty with the fairly chemically fragile catalytic converter materials.
Yep, and unfortunately ZDDP is a bad guy for those applications...
Reply
Old Dec 9, 2021 | 01:55 PM
  #83  
pdxmotorhead's Avatar
TECH Addict
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 2,513
Likes: 480
From: PDX-OR-USA
Default

Originally Posted by Polyalphaolefin
There's no direct correlation between engine noise and wear or friction. It's more a matter of which oils are better at suppressing the sound that's always there. A lot of racing oils can result in a bit of engine noise (less noise dampening) but have low wear and friction.
The quote isn't me,, its actually plagiarized from the guy who ran the Audi Diesel Lemans Program.
The reason that car was so quiet was his theory was sound is lost energy,, if you can make a moving thing quieter the energy goes to the tires.
I mean it was a 200 mile an hour Diesel car and sounded like it was on the freeway when it went by..
There is a really interesting bunch of stuff in the Documentary on their race program.
You gotta pay attention to the casual comments stuff in the background here and there.
Reply
Old Dec 9, 2021 | 02:32 PM
  #84  
G Atsma's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 22,289
Likes: 3,615
From: Central Cal.
Default

Originally Posted by pdxmotorhead

You gotta pay attention to the casual comments stuff in the background here and there.
Sometimes those casual comments can speak VOLUMES....
....but the right ears need to hear and comprehend them....
Reply
Old Dec 10, 2021 | 09:25 AM
  #85  
Polyalphaolefin's Avatar
Launching!
 
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 267
Likes: 171
Default

Originally Posted by 99 Black Bird T/A
Poly, is the Lucas 80w-140 gear oil OK to use in a rear end or is it more mediocrity in a bottle?


Lot of folks I worked with, swore by Lucas products for shoring up blown head gaskets, band aiding rod knock & stopping poorly maintained transmissions from slipping. They'd ended up stranded and bumming rides to work after their car or truck imploded with a massive repair bill. Then they swore at Lucas.

I strive to avoid just about anything with their name on it.
I wouldn't recommend 80W-140 gear oil unless you have a lot of gear clearance. Gear oil between the gear teeth gets rather hot from the pressure and friction. The higher the viscosity, the greater that hydrodynamic friction. A 140 grade will run quite a bit hotter than a 110 or 90 grade which can lead to gear fatigue.

Lucas's fuel supplements are decent. I use their ethanol stabilizer for extending E85 storage life. Other than that, they tend to put out bottom shelf products with top shelf prices. They also tend to suffer from QC issues.

Originally Posted by 01CamaroSSTx
https://www.lucasoilcenter.com/shop/...-oil-additive/NOT DESIGNED FOR PASSENGER CAR USE

Not recommended for use in passenger cars requiring API SG, SJ, SL, SM, and post 1994 vehicles. May cause damage to catalytic converters. For these engines try Lucas Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer....or not...
Originally Posted by Kawboom
What is in your oil will be in your exhaust, and some metal compounds can play nasty with the fairly chemically fragile catalytic converter materials.
The phosphorus and sulfur from ZDDP (and other additives) can damage catalytic converters in large quantities. While that's true, it's a bit of a dramatized issue as far as the general population is concerned. Even with 1500 ppm ZDDP, you'd have to be consuming a lot of oil (>1 quart in 1,000 miles) to make any substantial impact on the catalytic converter. Now the cats will only last 400k miles instead of a potential 500k miles. It doesn't matter much when 95% of cars end up in the scrapyard with <200k miles on them.

Originally Posted by pdxmotorhead
The quote isn't me,, its actually plagiarized from the guy who ran the Audi Diesel Lemans Program.
The reason that car was so quiet was his theory was sound is lost energy,, if you can make a moving thing quieter the energy goes to the tires.
I mean it was a 200 mile an hour Diesel car and sounded like it was on the freeway when it went by..
There is a really interesting bunch of stuff in the Documentary on their race program.
You gotta pay attention to the casual comments stuff in the background here and there.
I can understand and respect that theory. I'm going to take some time this afternoon to pull out some old books and discuss this with some colleagues as it's got me thinking more about it. I want to test this again.

Engine noise can be from a number of different things that could or could not affect power. Things like the notorious LS piston slap are harmless and unremarkable, for example. In my previous testing, I've had oil formulas make some engines quieter in terms of things like piston slap and lifter ticks (not due to lifter damage) with no change in power, longevity, or performance either way. I think it may be more of a placebo thing where a quiet running engine is just more appealing, and I totally get that. Thanks for bringing this up because it's got me curious about it again. Do you have a link to the white paper you got that from?

Last edited by Polyalphaolefin; Dec 16, 2021 at 01:53 PM.
Reply


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:30 AM.

story-0
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-3
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-4
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE
story-5
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

Slideshows: Which one of these myths do you believe?

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-28 18:10:11


VIEW MORE
story-8
Five Reasons the Camaro Was the Most Pivotal Player in the Pony Car Wars 2.0

The world was a better place when it was still around.

By Brett Foote | 2026-01-23 09:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Reasons the LS7 Is GM's Most Extreme Naturally Aspirated V8 Engine Ever

Slideshow: The 7.0-liter LS7 was designed for absolute cutting-edge performance.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-07 18:36:00


VIEW MORE