06 z06 vs fords gt-40
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Ignoring the rampant & stupid opinions (am I on ls1gto.com hmmm, guess not):
This is not a comparison, nor should it be.
Ford GT has been confirmed @ 11.0/~130 MPH…BONE STOCK including tires, with rumored better times already surfacing. Anyone driving a GT to 12.2 needs to go back to bullshit writeups on real drivers and stay off the roads.
I don’t think 95% of the people in this thread understand the –ridiculous- amount of additional power that a pulley and tune will put on these cars. Never mind that its peanuts in cost. These are not roots blowers; these are 2.3 liter Whipple twin screws, at 15 PSI stock BTW. Consider this: if a pulley/tune is adding 70 hp on smaller roots Eaton supercharger cobras (4.6 liter engine), that hp figure will –at least- double on a stock Ford GT. As it's mid-engine, there should be almost no power loss (if any) to the wheels. Pulley/tune/Cams on these cars is going to be huge horsepower.
Mid-engine layout owns. There is a reason a front engine car hasn’t won LeMans overall since 1963…
Z06 has 2 things on the GT, price and weight. I’m not here to take away from it (the Z06); it is a badass car. If it really stays < 70K there is basically no reason to own a SRT Viper anymore. However I’m skeptical about the weight numbers right now on it, everything else seems legit.
Props for no one using the “if I bought a Z06 and used the rest to mods” argument.
This is not a comparison, nor should it be.
Ford GT has been confirmed @ 11.0/~130 MPH…BONE STOCK including tires, with rumored better times already surfacing. Anyone driving a GT to 12.2 needs to go back to bullshit writeups on real drivers and stay off the roads.
I don’t think 95% of the people in this thread understand the –ridiculous- amount of additional power that a pulley and tune will put on these cars. Never mind that its peanuts in cost. These are not roots blowers; these are 2.3 liter Whipple twin screws, at 15 PSI stock BTW. Consider this: if a pulley/tune is adding 70 hp on smaller roots Eaton supercharger cobras (4.6 liter engine), that hp figure will –at least- double on a stock Ford GT. As it's mid-engine, there should be almost no power loss (if any) to the wheels. Pulley/tune/Cams on these cars is going to be huge horsepower.
Mid-engine layout owns. There is a reason a front engine car hasn’t won LeMans overall since 1963…
Z06 has 2 things on the GT, price and weight. I’m not here to take away from it (the Z06); it is a badass car. If it really stays < 70K there is basically no reason to own a SRT Viper anymore. However I’m skeptical about the weight numbers right now on it, everything else seems legit.
Props for no one using the “if I bought a Z06 and used the rest to mods” argument.
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Originally Posted by 50 BMG
I don’t think 95% of the people in this thread understand the –ridiculous- amount of additional power that a pulley and tune will put on these cars. Never mind that its peanuts in cost too. These are not roots blowers; these are 2.3 liter Whipple twin screws, at 15 PSI stock BTW. Consider this: if a pulley/tune is adding 70 hp on smaller Eaton supercharger cobras (4.6 liter engine), that hp figure will –at least- double on a stock Ford GT. And with it being mid-engine, there should be almost no power loss (if any) to the wheels as well.
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I thought the whole thing was "more for less $$$" I don't see why anybody would want to buy a Ford GT for $150,000 and it only does 12 seconds in the quarter mile. So far I think the best way to go is 03/04 Cobra ($25k) drop less then $5k in it (KB, chip, etc) and you'll be running 10s all day long.
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Originally Posted by xason
I don't see why anybody would want to buy a Ford GT for $150,000 and it only does 12 seconds in the quarter mile.
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Here are the ACTUAL performance numbers for the Ford GT... it's about the same as the Viper... the Z06 will out run both of them... estimated trap speeds are in the 127MPH range... you can read the entire Viper vs GT article in the magazine section of my webpage @ www.avigdor.net ...
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A Ford GT was purchase from a dealer here in Dallas, he paid $260,000. Thats $110,000 over MSRP and yes, the half shafts fell out of it. All of the Ford GT's are spoken for and $260,000 is what they are paying to own this limited production car. The $70,000 Z06 will be more mass produced and yes there will be Stealers selling the first ones for way over MSRP. I like both vehicles for what they are, Refined American Muscle that beat the hell out of the Europe exotics.
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Originally Posted by LSONE
how is that not fords fault? are you serious? so ford decides to use cheap *** parts that cant handle the stress that its car puts on it, its not their fault it breaks? I dont know about you, but if i was building a production car, a $150,000 one at that, i would check out all the places i plan on buying anything from, to make sure they're not screwing up the casting process, etc. if this sounds like a foreign concept to you remind me not to buy any products affiliated with you or the company you work for.
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Hey LostPatrolman why are you in LS1Tech talking trash about GM. And besides we will see how it turns out when the ZO6 is tested. All I know is it is gonna be one bad *** car and for way less money than other cars that will perform nearly the same(+/-).
The new ZO6 will be even more of a performance vs pricetag car than it was in 2001. I doubt that there will be any car sold, not MSRP, but sold within 110k of its price that will beat it. On the 1/4, street, or road course.
The new ZO6 will be even more of a performance vs pricetag car than it was in 2001. I doubt that there will be any car sold, not MSRP, but sold within 110k of its price that will beat it. On the 1/4, street, or road course.
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Im sorry, just because I own a vette and ls1 I have to praise GM?? I am not trashing anything, I am just saying it as it is. I love GM and their cars. THey are great. I think it is stupid for members to trash another domestic company though for a problem that they didnt even create!
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Well the fact of the matter still remains the same. The ZO6 will be a bad *** car and I dont think any car has ever been built that will meet its perfomance for the price. And if the price is around 70-80k, then i also think that they will be a little less common than the ZO's now. Plus it will be there first year, so it might take a couple years for them to be seen frequently.
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I like the fact that GM is advancing with thier body designs.
not relying on historic ones like Ford engineers.
Although they think they are advancing thier engine design by going overhead cam.
Which are short on power unless they are boosted.
not relying on historic ones like Ford engineers.
Although they think they are advancing thier engine design by going overhead cam.
Which are short on power unless they are boosted.
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Originally Posted by Lostpatrolman
Do you really expect ford to be responcible for other companies failures? How is Ford to truely know if all the thousands of parts they are buying are truely perfect? How many problems does the vette have, such as piston slap, locking columns, fucked seats, oil consumption.... Atleast Ford had the ***** to take action and recall them on their own, something GM has a hard time doing. Remind me, why is there a class action lawsuit for the piston slap problem? Because the General is too cheap to stand up and fix their mess? Why do people still use the column mod after they take in for the recall, because the recall still doesnt fix it?? Where is GM's recall for excessive oil consumption? Oh thats right, over a quart per 3000 miles isnt excessive Looks like GM doesnt have all its **** together either....
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Originally Posted by vmax1500
Here are the ACTUAL performance numbers for the Ford GT... it's about the same as the Viper... the Z06 will out run both of them... estimated trap speeds are in the 127MPH range... you can read the entire Viper vs GT article in the magazine section of my webpage @ www.avigdor.net ...
The production version runs 11.2 @ 131.2 mph tested by Motor Trend: http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coup...ro/index5.html
The bottom line is, the GT is a BETTER car, and it should be at over twice the price of a Z06. But, the Z06 is a much more reasonable high performance sports car. It also scores a lot better in the value department.
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Originally Posted by Lostpatrolman
Do you really expect ford to be responcible for other companies failures? How is Ford to truely know if all the thousands of parts they are buying are truely perfect? How many problems does the vette have, such as piston slap, locking columns, fucked seats, oil consumption.... Atleast Ford had the ***** to take action and recall them on their own, something GM has a hard time doing. Remind me, why is there a class action lawsuit for the piston slap problem? Because the General is too cheap to stand up and fix their mess? Why do people still use the column mod after they take in for the recall, because the recall still doesnt fix it?? Where is GM's recall for excessive oil consumption? Oh thats right, over a quart per 3000 miles isnt excessive Looks like GM doesnt have all its **** together either....
this has to be the stupidest argument i've ever heard. yes, gm has problems, we all know it and hold them to blame, weather oil consumption is because of shitty piston rings or what not, its still gm's fault. just as its fords fault for using shitty products in their cars. why are you trying to change the subject? saying "oh well GM blah blah blah" doesnt make ford any less to blame. please, either concede victory to my side of the argument or come up with an argument worth reading
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Originally Posted by oicw
The bottom line is, the GT is a BETTER car, and it should be at over twice the price of a Z06. But, the Z06 is a much more reasonable high performance sports car. It also scores a lot better in the value department.
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Originally Posted by LSONE
so because ford is trying to fix the problem, its not their fault
this has to be the stupidest argument i've ever heard. yes, gm has problems, we all know it and hold them to blame, weather oil consumption is because of shitty piston rings or what not, its still gm's fault. just as its fords fault for using shitty products in their cars. why are you trying to change the subject? saying "oh well GM blah blah blah" doesnt make ford any less to blame. please, either concede victory to my side of the argument or come up with an argument worth reading
this has to be the stupidest argument i've ever heard. yes, gm has problems, we all know it and hold them to blame, weather oil consumption is because of shitty piston rings or what not, its still gm's fault. just as its fords fault for using shitty products in their cars. why are you trying to change the subject? saying "oh well GM blah blah blah" doesnt make ford any less to blame. please, either concede victory to my side of the argument or come up with an argument worth reading
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Considering that the Z06 is 300lbs lighter than the GT it will be very interesting to see how they perform side by side... from a power to weight perspective they are very simmilar and the fact that the Z06 is 10% lighter should help it in the handling and braking dept... time will tell!
It's too early to say which car is better... if the Z06 can keep up with the GT while at the same time out brake it and out handle it at half the price I would have to say the Z06 is a better car
It's too early to say which car is better... if the Z06 can keep up with the GT while at the same time out brake it and out handle it at half the price I would have to say the Z06 is a better car
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The supplier issue haunts EVERY large manufacturer that offloads to vendors. In my industry we supply detailed specs and requirements to approved vendors and there are inspection criteria that the vendor must meet to receive and retain an approved status. I have no doubt that Ford has a similar process. But, with the low quantity of parts being produced for this car, even a high percentage of statistical sampling will produce a relatively low number of parts.
As I understand it, Ford actually discovered the problem with a vendor and immediately took steps to address the concern - to the point that they are hauling cars for no charge, etc. AFAIK, there have been no failures in service. I think its misplaced to jump on a manufacturer for recalls - especially if they're voluntary recalls. I'd much rather the approach that corrects a mistake or potential problem rather than turning a deaf ear and sweeping it under the carpet.
As I understand it, Ford actually discovered the problem with a vendor and immediately took steps to address the concern - to the point that they are hauling cars for no charge, etc. AFAIK, there have been no failures in service. I think its misplaced to jump on a manufacturer for recalls - especially if they're voluntary recalls. I'd much rather the approach that corrects a mistake or potential problem rather than turning a deaf ear and sweeping it under the carpet.
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Originally Posted by SSCamaro99_3
Did anyone else find it odd that the GT has a redline (from the article) of 6500 for a 32 valve DOHC motor, and the 16 valve pushrod motor will be turning 7000+.