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Old 01-25-2005, 09:08 PM
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Hello, I am thinking about selling my 408ci long block and building a 427, to do this I need a 4.125 bore block.

I know the C5R is generally used to do this, but is the LS7 block going to be cheaper? I've heard it comes 4.125 bore stock.
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If your interested in a dry-sleeved LS2 block for 4.125-4.155 finished bore, and good for 1000 RWHP+ let me know. I'll be getting some soon.
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you can bore your block another .030 over and run a 4.125 stroke, but thats not the best route. i'd do a resleeved (wet) ls1 block, that will be your cheapest bet. darton's also has there new 4.200 sleeves available soon too.
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Use a Darton block they are the most reliable. We have a few running with no issues.

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Originally Posted by term
Hello, I am thinking about selling my 408ci long block and building a 427, to do this I need a 4.125 bore block.

I know the C5R is generally used to do this, but is the LS7 block going to be cheaper? I've heard it comes 4.125 bore stock.
Next year the LS7 will be a lot cheaper than the C5R. I'm saving now for when SDPC throws together a 427 shortblock. They sell the 402 for 3,500 with good crank rods and pistons, the 427 will follow
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Exactly,a SD 427 LS2 shortblock w/forged internals will be the way to go and it'll cost $$$$$$$$$ less than anything out there now.

I'm saving for one too....
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Originally Posted by Boostaholic
Hello, I am thinking about selling my 408ci long block and building a 427, to do this I need a 4.125 bore block.

I know the C5R is generally used to do this, but is the LS7 block going to be cheaper? I've heard it comes 4.125 bore stock.
We can do a resleeved and machined LS2 for around $3200
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Originally Posted by Rob@ASMotorsports
We can do a resleeved and machined LS2 for around $3200


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The new darton 4.2 sleeve looks interesting. 4.2" bore and a 4" stroke will yield a 443 ci engine. A setof 225cc AFRs with a fast intake, steped 1 7/8-2" headers and a few other goodies....
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Using aftermarket parts, why would you build a 427 instead of a 441 or 447? Or with a 4.2 bore a 454 or 457?

And doesn't the 2.2" valve LS7 head, with heavily raised, square intake ports, offset pushrods, and matching 90mm intake manifold redefine what a big displacement head should be?

Thanks,

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Originally Posted by DavidNJ
Using aftermarket parts, why would you build a 427 instead of a 441 or 447? Or with a 4.2 bore a 454 or 457?

And doesn't the 2.2" valve LS7 head, with heavily raised, square intake ports, offset pushrods, and matching 90mm intake manifold redefine what a big displacement head should be?

Thanks,

David
Because that would require a 4.125" stroke... you really need a 6.125" rod to get a decent rod to stroke ratio to keep the angles of the rods from sideloading the pistons too hard. This also places the wrist pin very far up the piston skirt, thus causing some potential issues with ring and piston life, as well as, in some cases, ring seal issues.

It is just pushing it. However the idea of an aluminum 457 cid small block is very appealing.

The LS7 heads do seem interesting. Does anyone have flow numbers on them yet? For some reason it seems to me that this engine should be making more hp...I suspect the exhaust system is an issue.
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The LS7 is going to be one where an exhuast and cam change bring up big #'s. With the solid rollers and nice tuned long tubes we will see 600RWHP. Of course additional cubes via stroke will make it more tolerable.

Heads probably need SOME porting, but with a 2.2" intake valve, the ports are probably
big enough to flow as good or better than the BEST LS6 heads. And with porting
probably as good as C5R ( 400CFM ish ).
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Originally Posted by BowtieFreak
For some reason it seems to me that this engine should be making more hp...I suspect the exhaust system is an issue.
Yes, I'm sure the exhaust is a major restriction. I doubt it has long tube headers and no cats lol. Probably a much smaller cam than anyone with a 427 LS1 on here runs as well.
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Originally Posted by BowtieFreak
Because that would require a 4.125" stroke... you really need a 6.125" rod to get a decent rod to stroke ratio to keep the angles of the rods from sideloading the pistons too hard. This also places the wrist pin very far up the piston skirt, thus causing some potential issues with ring and piston life, as well as, in some cases, ring seal issues.

It is just pushing it.
Yes, but what about a 4" stroke and 4.2" bore? Any disadvantages there?
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A 4.200 could shift... Who knows but why take a chance?? 4.125 -4.155 LS2 will be reliable. And at least you can freshen it up a few times... Anybodys block would work for street performance...But I'd be happier if you bought my blocks! I have 5 machined sitting on the floor...
Rob we're similarly priced ($3300) Have you had any running yet?
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Originally Posted by SLED28
A 4.200 could shift... Who knows but why take a chance?? 4.125 -4.155 LS2 will be reliable. And at least you can freshen it up a few times... Anybodys block would work for street performance...But I'd be happier if you bought my blocks! I have 5 machined sitting on the floor...
Rob we're similarly priced ($3300) Have you had any running yet?
Negative. People are worried about the knock sensor issue and are sticking with old faithful, aka, the iron block. Cool by me though. Im building a 447 LS2 for my own car

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Looking for some torque are ya!
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Originally Posted by SLED28
Looking for some torque are ya!
Lull bet.



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