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Old Jul 1, 2006 | 10:01 PM
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Default LS2 Timing. Please give me some advice!

Hey guys,

I have just finished uninstalling my heads and cam. Everything is off my car.

(I was suprised how easyily everything has gone so far )


I have a quick question about setting up the timing after the new cam goes in...


I have seen numerous guides that say to linge up the cam gear with the crank sprocket.. (Sounds good to me!)

but....... It appears on my LS2 there is a timing cahin dampner in the way... (Is that the correct namer for it?)

Well here is a picture of what I am talking about:



(Number 232)


That parts blocks me from being able to see the do on the crank sprocket...


So after this longwinded post... my question for you is:

Do I need to take off the timing chain dampner in order to see the crank sprocket dot and properly set up the timing?


Thanks guys!
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Old Jul 2, 2006 | 10:38 AM
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bump anyone?
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 12:15 AM
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there should be marks on both the crank gear and the cam gear.. they should point toward eachother. i will double check the marks tomorrow at work since i have one sitting on the bench
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You can see behind the pump and around the dampener.

http://hotrod.com/techarticles/113_0504_ls2_11_z.jpg
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by See5
You can see behind the pump and around the dampener.

http://hotrod.com/techarticles/113_0504_ls2_11_z.jpg

really? I will go take another look...
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 08:36 AM
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nope, just double checked... The dampner and the oil pump must be removed.

The dampner completely blocks the view.
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 08:46 AM
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Are you looking for the dot on the crank sprocket?
If you line up the the old cam sproket straight down before removal and do not bump motor you can install new cam the to line up the same way.
If you really want to take the oil pump out, fine, but be careful with the o-ring to the pickup tube.
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by See5
Are you looking for the dot on the crank sprocket?
If you line up the the old cam sproket straight down before removal and do not bump motor you can install new cam the to line up the same way.
If you really want to take the oil pump out, fine, but be careful with the o-ring to the pickup tube.
That's the thing, I can not see the dot on the crank sprocket.

The dampner is right in the way! So it is impossible for me to line them up with out the crank dot being visible.


See what I am saying? bah I will just get a camera
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 08:57 AM
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See what I mean?

(Notice how the four oil pump bolts are already out haha.) I know I have to drop the oil pan... This means drain it first right? I am not sure how far the oil goes up...


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Do you have the old cam out now?
If so did you have the cam gear dot at dead bottom before you took the cam gear off?
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by See5
Do you have the old cam out now?
If so did you have the cam gear dot at dead bottom before you took the cam gear off?
No I didn't do that...

(Cam is out. Notice the empty hole)

I would not feel comfortable doing it that way... Too much room for error anyway.


well looks like the oil pump will be coming off.
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 09:05 AM
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Lets go to email?
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by See5
Lets go to email?
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 10:28 AM
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You need to take off the damper and oil pump. This is the reason a 2 piece timng cover will not work ion the LS2.

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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 10:34 AM
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Dave,
Contrary to the thread you posted you can definately see the crank sprocket dot with pump and dampener on. Still does not look like the split cover will work however.
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by See5
Dave,
Contrary to the thread you posted you can definately see the crank sprocket dot with pump and dampener on. Still does not look like the split cover will work however.
Sure you can see it, but not as well as I would like to, one tooth off and you get to take to motor back apart. You are right though. I just feel if you've gotten as far he did, why not take the pump off, it takes one minute, if that. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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Originally Posted by Z06-Dave
Sure you can see it, but not as well as I would like to, one tooth off and you get to take to motor back apart. You are right though. I just feel if you've gotten as far he did, why not take the pump off, it takes one minute, if that. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
If installing "straight up" you can see plenty well enough. If you are a tooth off it is a huge visible misalignment. I tried it one tooth off to satisfy myself and there is no way to mistake right from wrong.
The possibility of messing up the o-ring is a greater threat IMHO.
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Z06-Dave
Sure you can see it, but not as well as I would like to, one tooth off and you get to take to motor back apart. You are right though. I just feel if you've gotten as far he did, why not take the pump off, it takes one minute, if that. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
How long does it actually take to get that pump off?

10 mins to drop the pan?
another 5 to get the pump off?

I may just end up doing it this way for security. I can NOT afford a new engine.

and what is an extra 30 minutes to me? I have already spent 2 hours thinking about this problem. lol

This way I can be absolutely surethat the sprocket and gear dots are lined up!
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 10:53 AM
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The pan can stay on. It should take you no more than 3 minutes to take the pump off.

4 10 mm bolts in front and 1 under it on the pickup tube
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Z06-Dave
The pan can stay on. It should take you no more than 3 minutes to take the pump off.

4 10 mm bolts in front and 1 under it on the pickup tube
I think the pan has to be lowered...

I tried to get the pickup tube bolt off but the pan was in the way...

unlike the LS1 the bolt is not on the left side of the pickup tube, but rather the right side...

See picture.

How long do you think it will take to drop the pan about 1/2"?

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