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Old 12-12-2006, 07:09 PM
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On the RAM AIR hood (and other places on various other F-Body's I've seen) some advertise their HP number, i.e., 415 HP. I've asked some of these owners which it was they are advertising ... RWHP or Flywheel HP ... and have received mixed answers. The answers are flat out RWHP, which I believe is what should be advertised IF you are going to flaunt the number. The other answer is that it's their RWHP + the added drivetrain loss of 12-15% for M6 cars and 18-20 % for A4 cars. Not counting A3's ... lol!

Is there a standard anyone knows of which would be the correct way to advertise? I say it should be RWHP, however, is there a reputable documented standard? I'm not talking about 'advertised' (flywheel) HP the auto manufacturers use, which are usually distorted for one reason or another. Anybody know a true standard documented standard you can quote?
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I'd only advertise it if it was dynoed on an engine dyno to the strict SAE specs that automotive manufacturers are held to. Otherwise, it is a shot in the dark, and obviously leaves room for ego inflation.
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I think writing your hp number on your car is pretty lame
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Originally Posted by Mistacamawo
I think writing your hp number on your car is pretty lame
I don't think it is lame, but I think it leaves you open for lots of stupid questions from lots of stupid people. I get enough stupid questions from my car being an SS...I don't need any more.
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I would imagine most would put on their rwhp since most cars dont see and engine dyno and that number would just be a guess. Most people dont seem to care about flywheel hp, its what you put to the pavement that matters
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I think this looks clean (and it flywheel hp)
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Keep 'em comin' ... good feedback folks. I saw one at local a shop here that has 415 HP on the hood, but, it's actually putting down waaaaaay over 500 to the wheels. Didn't make much sense to me. Nah, I don't think I'll do it to mine, but, I think it looks pretty cool to see one with BIG HP numbers on the WS6/WS9 hood ... like 725 HP .. if it's at the wheels and true numbers.
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I wouldnt put my HP numbers on my car because they will keep going up more and more every 6 months no matter how many times I say I am done....LOL
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its arrogant in my opinion, and they are always inflated, plus i would rather be a sleeper
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Originally Posted by Magnet
its arrogant in my opinion, and they are always inflated, plus i would rather be a sleeper
Agreed on all counts...
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If you MUST put a horsepower number on your car, I think it should be at the flywheel. But I prefer the "sleeper" look.

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Sleeper is always good. Of course there is the big ego booster decal that reads "???HP"
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Flywheel hp number should be on your decal imo.
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Mine's been sleeper since I've owned it and will likely stay that way. Just doing appearance mods now. Then, I 'll put a badass stereo in it. Mod's never end, I guess. doubt I'll add the HP numbers ... will do the ram air stickers when i get my new hood on, though. Ordered a new airbox to make it functional ...
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Kinda dumb IMO but each to his/her own.
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Originally Posted by Ragingwolf51
Sleeper is always good. Of course there is the big ego booster decal that reads "???HP"
If I had a decal it would read "????HP" instead
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personally, its fun to hear the different ideas people have about my car. I love when people tell me that they heard from someone who heard from someone who heard from his momma that I have 500 at the wheels. Then theres always the two or three guys that believe the Ls1 was only 275 from the factory. Why spoil the fun, just let them find out for themselves

On a note about sleepers, it was William Shakespeare who said, "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest....
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I don't think there is going to be any "official" final word on this - we all know RWHP is all that matters - but - I think with every car commerical you see on TV spewing inflated flywheel HP #'s, you're almost forced to use flywheel HP...
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Why not put your tq?
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I'm a believer of HP only on a track car. If you do it though, gotta go flywheel or label it "RWHP".



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