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Old 07-16-2008 | 12:07 AM
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Default New LS7 build in my shop...Pics inside!

Building another Ls7 today...

400+ cfm w/ intake manifold bolted on
LS7 heads 2.200 tit valves..CNC ported
.703 lift cam
CP gas ported pistons
4340 crank & rods..just some cheapies!!!
Carb intake...has bungs for possibly future EFI..right now its Davinci Carbed
MSd 58x ignition

Heres a few pics from my shop..Have to make some headers real quick..















Old 07-16-2008 | 07:53 AM
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Looks stellar....but GM head bolts and main cap bolts?! Where is the ARP hardware?
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Old 07-16-2008 | 09:15 AM
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Personally, I am very nervous (afraid) of the TI valves. There have been more than a few problems. Other than that, it will rev to infinity. The MSD works great!

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What is the issue with TI valves?
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I agree, what issues are there with the TI valves?
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TI is great but does not heat cycle particularly well, thus it is best, not great, for intake as opposed to exhaust valves. The LS7 TI valves use lash caps on the TI intakes and there have been numerous "dropped valves" Even aftermarket TI valves (probably by the same forge) warn of a very limited life. Some as little as 500 miles!
I have cleaned up a few engines with dropped (pulled the valve head off) that were virtually destroyed.
Commonly used on race engines but changed often and with light springs.
Old 07-16-2008 | 11:11 AM
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Looks stellar....but GM head bolts and main cap bolts?! Where is the ARP hardware?
Thanks...No need for ARP...the factory stuff is workin fine...no need to spend all the extra green.
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TI is great but does not heat cycle particularly well, thus it is best, not great, for intake as opposed to exhaust valves. The LS7 TI valves use lash caps on the TI intakes and there have been numerous "dropped valves" Even aftermarket TI valves (probably by the same forge) warn of a very limited life. Some as little as 500 miles!
I have cleaned up a few engines with dropped (pulled the valve head off) that were virtually destroyed.
Commonly used on race engines but changed often and with light springs.

Usually the good Ti valves have hardened tips so no lash caps are needed..

No problems with life on the Ti valves.

I thought the dropped valve LS7 issue was more spring related.
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Originally Posted by 427cidLT5
Usually the good Ti valves have hardened tips so no lash caps are needed..

No problems with life on the Ti valves.

I thought the dropped valve LS7 issue was more spring related.
I agree about the spring relation to the dropped valves. Guys running way too much spring for a softer metal, not a good plan. I trust that GM wouldn't put failure prone valves into their flagship motor, especially since they endurance test them for 100,000 miles.

Katech has a great Spring/Retainer setup that is extremely light, totals 78 grams combined weight, tailored for the LS7 heads. Spring pressure 130 on the seat, 370 open and is good to 700 lift, single beehive spring. They use PSI Max Life springs, and are VERY durable.


Keep in mind 427cidLT5, that the GM Ti Valves DO need lash caps, so if you're running the GM ti valves, make sure you get those lash caps, otherwise major disaster will ensue!
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DW is the authority on TI valves and they do most of the forging. They are fussy about the coatings to harden the tips or provide steel tips.

There was an acknowledgment of problems with the LS7 valve forgings about 18 months ago.



PSI 1511 springs are the best for lighter valves. On that I agree with Katech. They are in everything we build. The .700 is more than PSI rates them for however.


10-4 on the lash caps> absolutely
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Originally Posted by Haans249
I agree about the spring relation to the dropped valves. Guys running way too much spring for a softer metal, not a good plan. I trust that GM wouldn't put failure prone valves into their flagship motor, especially since they endurance test them for 100,000 miles.

Katech has a great Spring/Retainer setup that is extremely light, totals 78 grams combined weight, tailored for the LS7 heads. Spring pressure 130 on the seat, 370 open and is good to 700 lift, single beehive spring. They use PSI Max Life springs, and are VERY durable.


Keep in mind 427cidLT5, that the GM Ti Valves DO need lash caps, so if you're running the GM ti valves, make sure you get those lash caps, otherwise major disaster will ensue!
Haans....I have the Katech springs and retainers in my Z06...PSI max life etc...have about 15k miles on them...Had to change them out. Im running the caddy lifters and bumped up rev limit.. I was getting a P0300 code at high rpm that was driving me crazy---Changed out a lot of electrical parts...Finally traced it to weak valve springs---last thing I changed.

Depends on everybodys idea of durable for the PSIs??? I got 15k out of em...dropped in a new set and got rid of my high rpm miss.
Whats considered durable for mileage?

I was curious why they went with lash caps on the DW Ls7 valves? Cost maybe? I've ran the DW stuff in my SB2 with hardened tips...no need for the lash caps.

For this LS7...no PSI springs or DW valves.

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15K miles on a high revving spring is absolutely durable. With most high-lift springs expect to see around 10K miles, and I'm talking about dual-spring setups, not bee-hive, which would see even less, and even less on top of that at 7k+ rpms.

The PSI's are rated at only .625" lift at a 1.8" setup on the seat. But, the katech retainers setup the springs at 1.85 on the seat, with a coil bind of 1.1", so, 50 thou within coil bind puts you at 700 lift. I'm running 650/670 lift int/exh, and am at 8K miles, I don't go past 6700 rpms, and I haven't had a problem thus far. But as a precautionary measure, i'm swapping the springs out for a new set, and am going to test the pressures to see how they're holding up to my setup.
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Originally Posted by 427cidLT5
Building another Ls7 today...

400+ cfm w/ intake manifold bolted on
LS7 heads 2.200 tit valves..CNC ported
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Who did the ports??

joel
Old 07-17-2008 | 09:10 PM
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Going with the big sucker camshaft I see. Nice stuff.
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Originally Posted by Bink
Who did the ports??

joel
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Old 07-17-2008 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TopFlite
Going with the big sucker camshaft I see. Nice stuff.
Thanks Top flite...Yeah cam is somewhat big..250ish duration..703 lift

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How big of a shot are you going with? What is the compression ratio? Freakin bad-***!
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I'm guessing that white vehicle is what you plan on putting it in? Have any flow numbers? What size are the ports? Do you have any pictures of the port work?
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That motor is going to scream! Like Haans asked, how big of a shot?


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