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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 01:28 PM
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This section is to discuss external "bolt on" modifications to the new GEN V (LT1) engine
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Yayy.
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Ive got lt's, cam, heads, intake, 300hp shot of the n2o, with a turbo and a supercharger all tuned by me. So much for impossible to tune.
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Hope its not a let down like the other lt1
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I wonder how long it will take FAST to have an Intake for it..let alone anyone to have Aftermarket parts.

The Cam might be a tad expensive for a few years..
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 11:37 AM
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God my gen 3 ls1 is like ancient technology.
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:35 PM
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The Cam might be a tad expensive for a few years..
Why? There's nothing super special about that cam. Grinding a triangular lobe to drive a pump isn't all that different from grinding a normal cam lobe and it's been done for diesel applications for eons.

I do wonder if higher flowing HP pumps to support additional HP will require either different lobe profiles or (gasp) dual lobes. I can imagine a valley cover that allows two HP pumps to run off the same lobe - now that could support some power!

Biggest challenge I think for the hotrodding community will be engine control & tuning. The other stuff is not that different from the traditional LSx.
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 04:00 PM
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This seciton is for bolt ons, so the camshaft stuf really should go in internal. But, there are some concerns with it, epsecially as JL-Ws6 has pointed out with cam flex.

So, things like headers which are going to be an issue with the relocated exhaust ports.

For FAST to develop an intake, we proably need to see how good (or bad) the new intake is.

It looks to be a lot of new tooling in the aftermarket.
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 09:14 PM
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With the exception of "headers" and possible air filter,

my guess is that it will be a while before the after market catches up.
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With the exception of "headers" and possible air filter,

my guess is that it will be a while before the after market catches up.
with how fast a LOT of stuff came out for the Coyote 5.0... theyll probably have stuff out before the first vette is sold to the "public"...lol
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with how fast a LOT of stuff came out for the Coyote 5.0... theyll probably have stuff out before the first vette is sold to the "public"...lol
Probabty bolt on's and such, but internal stuff will be a while. I bet the biggest amount of stuff won't come out until variants hit the camaro and trucks when people can actually afford to get their hands on one. I'd say, major internal upgrades are about 5 years out. Hell, we won't even see the first one in a vette on lots until this time next year, a year after that in the camaro, And probably another year before it hits trucks.

If I recall, it was almost 2000 before the first reasonably priced upgrades started hitting the market for the gen 3 engines. Before that, it was just the slp junk and overpriced GM counter upgrades.
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Old Nov 1, 2012 | 06:11 AM
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I believe the trucks will have the new engines sooner this time, actually about the same time as the corvettes.
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with how fast a LOT of stuff came out for the Coyote 5.0... theyll probably have stuff out before the first vette is sold to the "public"...lol
Yeah like bww said this would be very well the case for bolt-ons. Internal stuff will take a while. I mean look how long it took for aftermarket LS3/rectangular port castings to come out. And even now there are relatively few choices out there compared to cathedral ones.

And that's with a relatively similar architecture from LS1/2/6 to LS3/7/9. This all new Gen 5 stuff will probably take even longer due to the DI aspect of it and how different the cam and heads really are compared to the Gen 3/4 stuff.
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Not sure how feasible it would have been, but I wish they could have added direct injection to the current LSx. Why couldn't it simply have been a head-swap?
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Not sure how feasible it would have been, but I wish they could have added direct injection to the current LSx. Why couldn't it simply have been a head-swap?
The block is very similar. I bet the crank is not much different (other than being forged). Pistons have to be different in order for DI to work properly. The biggest departure is in the heads and cam.
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Well they needed room for the fuel pump lobe at the back of the cam for one thing, but it's about time for a generational change to make sweeping improvements after what 15 years since the LS1 came out?
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From the pic I saw it was an extra lobe on it..unless I looked at it wrong..
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Originally Posted by redtan
Yeah like bww said this would be very well the case for bolt-ons. Internal stuff will take a while. I mean look how long it took for aftermarket LS3/rectangular port castings to come out. And even now there are relatively few choices out there compared to cathedral ones.

And that's with a relatively similar architecture from LS1/2/6 to LS3/7/9. This all new Gen 5 stuff will probably take even longer due to the DI aspect of it and how different the cam and heads really are compared to the Gen 3/4 stuff.
Well said.

I think the reason rectangle port stuff didn't take off as fast as far as the aftermarket is concerned is because the factory stuff is so good in stock form. There are only a very small percentage of people that actually need ported heads and other things.

In the case of the cathedral port stuff, it doesn't take much more than a medium sized cam to out run the capabilities of the stock heads and intake, even the ls6 intake can only breathe up to about 6200 before it starts to stall out.
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I think cams are going to be the most difficult to figure out. It's a totally different head, requiring different flow characteristics, then you throw Di on top of that. Think about how long it took people to figure out that traditional ls1 split cams wouldn't work with ls3 style heads.
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Originally Posted by bww3588
I think cams are going to be the most difficult to figure out. It's a totally different head, requiring different flow characteristics, then you throw Di on top of that. Think about how long it took people to figure out that traditional ls1 split cams wouldn't work with ls3 style heads.
it didnt take that long. also, R&D is radically different from what it was just 5 years ago
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