New LT1 for 2014 6.2l alum block
12-21-2012, 07:33 AM
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The bell housing will be the same bolt pattern.
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12-21-2012, 07:33 AM
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12-21-2012, 07:53 AM
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BG,
Any more guidance you can give to LY6 owners as to enhancements needed to bring things alive....?
You have stated that the exhaust side is the choke point, so first and foremost a suitable exhaust system is needed along with port design. Some users have commented on the large valve and shrouding issue in a small port, almost seems like we need to install a smaller intake and larger exhaust.
Aftermarket is making big HP numbers with camshafts, but at the expense of efficiency...Tightening the LSA is not recommended under the current design due to these reversion issues....more LSA and additional life on the exhaust side possibly.
Any more guidance you can give to LY6 owners as to enhancements needed to bring things alive....?
You have stated that the exhaust side is the choke point, so first and foremost a suitable exhaust system is needed along with port design. Some users have commented on the large valve and shrouding issue in a small port, almost seems like we need to install a smaller intake and larger exhaust.
Aftermarket is making big HP numbers with camshafts, but at the expense of efficiency...Tightening the LSA is not recommended under the current design due to these reversion issues....more LSA and additional life on the exhaust side possibly.
There is enough information in this thread alone to solve the problem with VVT and make someone a MILLIONAIRE easily.
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12-21-2012, 08:09 AM
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Everyone is REGISTERED for the engine's give away 
Last day at work before the long holiday season, TGIF as well! Slow day so I'll be on here with you guys.
Today is the day to ask your questions over the next 2 weeks I'll be vacation with the wife and kids.
no access to laptops or cell phones says the wife. So I won't be able to log in over the next 2 weeks after today. If you have a question please ask no question is too small or large.
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Last day at work before the long holiday season, TGIF as well! Slow day so I'll be on here with you guys.
Today is the day to ask your questions over the next 2 weeks I'll be vacation with the wife and kids.
no access to laptops or cell phones says the wife. So I won't be able to log in over the next 2 weeks after today. If you have a question please ask no question is too small or large. Bigg Gunz
12-21-2012, 08:16 AM
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As I've stated before the VVT 6.0's only need two developments in the aftermarket. However in my position, dealing with work ethics, proprietary patents, non competes, etc. I am NOT at liberty to state those needed developments. The aftermarket has to step up and develop what is truly needed, the sooner the better. VVT isn't going away...and VVC is coming soon and is extremely complex over vvt. So the aftermarket has to come through for you hot rodders to unleash the true power potential of VVT. However any information pertaining to development of parts in detail,critical processes, data logs, etc will not be allowed. Please understand my position.
The block is solid .......night and day difference in terms of stiff and increased strength. It has to be for several reasons. The greatest achieve in the Gen 5 engine? The entire engine... this is the last v8 you'll ever see NOT only from GM but the other major automotive companies as well. This one will leave a legacy unchallenged we are sure of it.
Knowing that this would be the last V8 to be developed. We went all out and really didn't leave anything on the table. The greatest achievement of this engine is output is ground breaking and shattering depending on the level of performance we deem for a vehicle.
This is unquestionable, and this is by an lunar orbit the best engine to ever leave GM. And Three valve could still happen it is developed and real world proven. However we don't make the decision on what makes it into production.
From an engineering stand point my question to you is why would you want to bore this potential engine out? Why would you want to stroke it?
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The block is solid .......night and day difference in terms of stiff and increased strength. It has to be for several reasons. The greatest achieve in the Gen 5 engine? The entire engine... this is the last v8 you'll ever see NOT only from GM but the other major automotive companies as well. This one will leave a legacy unchallenged we are sure of it.
Knowing that this would be the last V8 to be developed. We went all out and really didn't leave anything on the table. The greatest achievement of this engine is output is ground breaking and shattering depending on the level of performance we deem for a vehicle.
This is unquestionable, and this is by an lunar orbit the best engine to ever leave GM. And Three valve could still happen it is developed and real world proven. However we don't make the decision on what makes it into production.
From an engineering stand point my question to you is why would you want to bore this potential engine out? Why would you want to stroke it?
Bigg Gunz
Could we see a smaller displacement engine in the C7s lifecycle? Will we see something with 4 cylinders debut in a car like the camaro and corvette?
What info do you need for that engine give away?
12-21-2012, 08:27 AM
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So we'll be left for 2 weeks in the dark
The only question I have is when is big brother coming? I know you can't much, but would its release period be similar to C5 Z06 (i.e. 3.5 years after base C5 LS1), or similar to C6 Z06 (i.e. 1 year after base C6 LS2)?
The only question I have is when is big brother coming? I know you can't much, but would its release period be similar to C5 Z06 (i.e. 3.5 years after base C5 LS1), or similar to C6 Z06 (i.e. 1 year after base C6 LS2)?
12-21-2012, 08:43 AM
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Really? I cant imagine how they would can v8's all together? Will FI v6s fill that niche going forward? Like the ford ecoboost in the F150?
Could we see a smaller displacement engine in the C7s lifecycle? Will we see something with 4 cylinders debut in a car like the camaro and corvette?
What info do you need for that engine give away?
Could we see a smaller displacement engine in the C7s lifecycle? Will we see something with 4 cylinders debut in a car like the camaro and corvette?
What info do you need for that engine give away?
No need to worry the death of the V8 will be in about 2019-2020'ish. About 8 years away... give or take 1 year depending on regulations. The V8 has had an incredible run you have to admit.
We have a engine that is smaller more powerful up TOP than the current 6.2 Gen V that I personally feel should have went into the base C7. However torque slightly suffered below 2,000 RPM's so that was the engine wasn't deemed worthy.. so that was the end of that discussion. The 6.2 liter was chosen only because of the ability it had to render monster torque below 2,000 RPM's as this is the sweet spot for everyday use.
All that is needed is your email...if you're picked someone will contact you requesting full shipping information.
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12-21-2012, 08:45 AM
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No comment as we continue further & on going testing.
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12-21-2012, 09:11 AM
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Bigg_Gunz,
Much earlier in the thread, a few weeks ago, you spent much time discussing the issue with exhaust back pressure and EGT. Adding turbos will change the exhaust flow. So, is it correct to assume that big brother is supercharged?
Much earlier in the thread, a few weeks ago, you spent much time discussing the issue with exhaust back pressure and EGT. Adding turbos will change the exhaust flow. So, is it correct to assume that big brother is supercharged?
12-21-2012, 09:15 AM
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Look at the engine layout and you'll have your answer.
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12-21-2012, 09:16 AM
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Being this car is a "specialty car" with limited production between 5000 - 10000 with more available upon demand, I would say its going to one up the GXP with refinements in interior, braking, and suspension. I would not expect to see anything less than the LT1 with a high possibility of a supercharged version. I also expect the pricing of this car to be 50k + whatever the dealer comes up with for "Market Value".
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Being this car is a "specialty car" with limited production between 5000 - 10000 with more available upon demand, I would say its going to one up the GXP with refinements in interior, braking, and suspension. I would not expect to see anything less than the LT1 with a high possibility of a supercharged version. I also expect the pricing of this car to be 50k + whatever the dealer comes up with for "Market Value".
http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2012/12/...vette-7712080/
"Power will come from the new LT1 V8 which the SS will share with the upcoming Corvette C7, mated to a manual transmission. Despite its standing as a halo model, GM won't limited production of the Chevy SS, building and selling as many as customers demand. The General figures that will amount to about 10,000 to 15,000 units each year. "
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12-21-2012, 09:52 AM
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Awesome, thanks a ton for that image.
Bigg Gunz,
Thanks for the reply! I'm willing to bet that once the market figures out how to milk that E92 ECM for everything that it's worth, the rest will manage to come into it's own. With as much similarity between the whole platform I think this can only help our V6 community which has dwindled in size over the last few years.
I am glad that GM has done this, I had wished that they had done it before with the LSx powerplant because of the sheer capability of that engine itself.
With this engine being an aluminum block/heads, this makes retrofit swaps even more desireable instead of tossing a large iron block/head 4.3 from previous generations for minimal gain.
Thanks for the reply! I'm willing to bet that once the market figures out how to milk that E92 ECM for everything that it's worth, the rest will manage to come into it's own. With as much similarity between the whole platform I think this can only help our V6 community which has dwindled in size over the last few years.
I am glad that GM has done this, I had wished that they had done it before with the LSx powerplant because of the sheer capability of that engine itself.
With this engine being an aluminum block/heads, this makes retrofit swaps even more desireable instead of tossing a large iron block/head 4.3 from previous generations for minimal gain.
12-21-2012, 10:30 AM
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BG,
I know your response must be gauged, but are we talking about "big brother" and the new "Z06" as the same model? From the leaked CAD photos we can see two different engines, the LT1 being one and the presumed LT4 the other. In other words, combining the current Z06 and ZR1 into one higher performance model. Current sales seem to point towards this.
Just curious as I would like to see a HIGH horsepower, boosted ZR1 type model with all the bells and whistles, but also a track oriented Z06 type model that focuses on N/A, light weight and a more raw driving experience. Something more along the lines of a GT3RS, Viper ACR, etc. High revving peaky engine, titanium exhaust, adjustable coilovers, carbon ceramic brakes, thinner glass, etc...
Thanks for all your info and answers! I'm sure the C7 is gonna be killer. I grew up just north of Blowing Green and visited the factory as a kid. Well, I still do!
I know your response must be gauged, but are we talking about "big brother" and the new "Z06" as the same model? From the leaked CAD photos we can see two different engines, the LT1 being one and the presumed LT4 the other. In other words, combining the current Z06 and ZR1 into one higher performance model. Current sales seem to point towards this.
Just curious as I would like to see a HIGH horsepower, boosted ZR1 type model with all the bells and whistles, but also a track oriented Z06 type model that focuses on N/A, light weight and a more raw driving experience. Something more along the lines of a GT3RS, Viper ACR, etc. High revving peaky engine, titanium exhaust, adjustable coilovers, carbon ceramic brakes, thinner glass, etc...
Thanks for all your info and answers! I'm sure the C7 is gonna be killer. I grew up just north of Blowing Green and visited the factory as a kid. Well, I still do!
12-21-2012, 10:48 AM
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BG,
I know your response must be gauged, but are we talking about "big brother" and the new "Z06" as the same model? From the leaked CAD photos we can see two different engines, the LT1 being one and the presumed LT4 the other. In other words, combining the current Z06 and ZR1 into one higher performance model. Current sales seem to point towards this.
Just curious as I would like to see a HIGH horsepower, boosted ZR1 type model with all the bells and whistles, but also a track oriented Z06 type model that focuses on N/A, light weight and a more raw driving experience. Something more along the lines of a GT3RS, Viper ACR, etc. High revving peaky engine, titanium exhaust, adjustable coilovers, carbon ceramic brakes, thinner glass, etc...
Thanks for all your info and answers! I'm sure the C7 is gonna be killer. I grew up just north of Blowing Green and visited the factory as a kid. Well, I still do!
I know your response must be gauged, but are we talking about "big brother" and the new "Z06" as the same model? From the leaked CAD photos we can see two different engines, the LT1 being one and the presumed LT4 the other. In other words, combining the current Z06 and ZR1 into one higher performance model. Current sales seem to point towards this.
Just curious as I would like to see a HIGH horsepower, boosted ZR1 type model with all the bells and whistles, but also a track oriented Z06 type model that focuses on N/A, light weight and a more raw driving experience. Something more along the lines of a GT3RS, Viper ACR, etc. High revving peaky engine, titanium exhaust, adjustable coilovers, carbon ceramic brakes, thinner glass, etc...
Thanks for all your info and answers! I'm sure the C7 is gonna be killer. I grew up just north of Blowing Green and visited the factory as a kid. Well, I still do!
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12-21-2012, 10:52 AM
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Awesome, thanks a ton for that image.
Bigg Gunz,
Thanks for the reply! I'm willing to bet that once the market figures out how to milk that E92 ECM for everything that it's worth, the rest will manage to come into it's own. With as much similarity between the whole platform I think this can only help our V6 community which has dwindled in size over the last few years.
I am glad that GM has done this, I had wished that they had done it before with the LSx powerplant because of the sheer capability of that engine itself.
With this engine being an aluminum block/heads, this makes retrofit swaps even more desireable instead of tossing a large iron block/head 4.3 from previous generations for minimal gain.
Bigg Gunz,
Thanks for the reply! I'm willing to bet that once the market figures out how to milk that E92 ECM for everything that it's worth, the rest will manage to come into it's own. With as much similarity between the whole platform I think this can only help our V6 community which has dwindled in size over the last few years.
I am glad that GM has done this, I had wished that they had done it before with the LSx powerplant because of the sheer capability of that engine itself.
With this engine being an aluminum block/heads, this makes retrofit swaps even more desireable instead of tossing a large iron block/head 4.3 from previous generations for minimal gain.
I think the V6 scene can rejoice! They've needed something like this engine for a while now. They have something they can go out and pick on stock Ls1's which should make for interesting performance between the two rivals.
Bigg Gunz