New LT1 for 2014 6.2l alum block
12-31-2012, 11:12 AM
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Yea, I'm thinking about OEM's taking a big step away from the private deals and licenses and doing some of this aftermarket development on the web, out in the open, for all to see.
I expect that there would be resistance from the aftermarket companies that enjoy the inside access today, but (as you point out) the core hardware of the engine will remain unchanged. The development of engines is following a process that seems to me to be converging with that of software/technology products. Those industries have seen a lot of innovation arise from open source development and I'd expect that OEM's would see some unexpected developments by doing the same.
I expect that there would be resistance from the aftermarket companies that enjoy the inside access today, but (as you point out) the core hardware of the engine will remain unchanged. The development of engines is following a process that seems to me to be converging with that of software/technology products. Those industries have seen a lot of innovation arise from open source development and I'd expect that OEM's would see some unexpected developments by doing the same.
The only thing I would change is the prices..... and the only reason I would lower prices is because more people would get into the hobby of going fast. And more people equals more target market. And a Larger market = more $$$$ for that aftermarket business.
I can't speak for the average joe...however I try to imagine as best I can...
Paying rent/mortgage,auto,home, health, life insurance,utilities, cell phone, petro bill, clothes, food, entertainment, savings, then IRA/ 401k's, giving spending money to the kids/wife/family emergency etc.
^^^^^ this alone.... is enough to drive the average man MAD. How is the average joe to clear his mind and find extra money for the hobby of going fast? You know us guys need a weekend at the track to get away from the life of constant stress.
I feel the hobby could be bigger and everyone can win. If the prices could come down just a little. Then again its hard competing with the flood of foreign goods, and cheap labor so I kind of see why prices are high.
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12-31-2012, 12:14 PM
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Bigg Gunz,
I like the idea of power and durability! I've been planning out a boosted V6 build for quite a few years, having a lack of tools for fabricating the charge piping and hot side is what has kept me at bay.
Your stance of keeping the RPM's down and still keeping the engine beefy is right where I've been shooting for on my V6. Overbuild it to handle 800+ at the crank, but daily it around 400whp or bump to 600whp when set to kill mode with room to grow if I get bored.
I know the V8 guys will roll their eyes, but it is what I enjoy even if I could make that power "easier" with an LSx swap from just browsing some of the sponsor websites here.
I like the idea of power and durability! I've been planning out a boosted V6 build for quite a few years, having a lack of tools for fabricating the charge piping and hot side is what has kept me at bay.
Your stance of keeping the RPM's down and still keeping the engine beefy is right where I've been shooting for on my V6. Overbuild it to handle 800+ at the crank, but daily it around 400whp or bump to 600whp when set to kill mode with room to grow if I get bored.
I know the V8 guys will roll their eyes, but it is what I enjoy even if I could make that power "easier" with an LSx swap from just browsing some of the sponsor websites here.
12-31-2012, 01:47 PM
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Bigg_Gunz, when you talk about the final hurrah of the V8 should we also take it to mean OHV? My best guess is that someone sits down and does a cost benefit analysis once the goals are laid out. OHV may have an advantage today, but knowing what you know about ongoing testing is that balance possibly upset for the next generation?
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12-31-2012, 01:59 PM
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No one had to buy out GM shares as it was equalized risk among the tax base. However as of last week GM purchased the remaining 200 Million shares back from the US.GOV/Taxpayers. So the taxpayers doesn't own not 1 share in GM as planned so the bailout was successful and even made the US TAX PAYERS a profit 
Not that it will even matter the trickle down effects of capitalism does NOT allow those that took on the risk to ever make a penny.
See your local Congress member for details on where the profits are going to end up.
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Not that it will even matter the trickle down effects of capitalism does NOT allow those that took on the risk to ever make a penny. See your local Congress member for details on where the profits are going to end up.
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12-31-2012, 02:15 PM
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The taxpayers made money and will continue to make money.
And GM doesn't set the markets... wall street does... so when the treasury sells their shares in the market it up to them and their brokers not GM.
When GM buys their shares back from the US GOV...they pay a premium of 7.9% to ensure profitable.
This was part of the bailout and labeled as "prearranged trading plan."
If done in the reserve the taxpayers will lose money.
The treasury officials ensured the premium at time of the buy backs. To eliminate taxpayers loss.
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12-31-2012, 02:19 PM
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Bigg_Gunz, when you talk about the final hurrah of the V8 should we also take it to mean OHV? My best guess is that someone sits down and does a cost benefit analysis once the goals are laid out. OHV may have an advantage today, but knowing what you know about ongoing testing is that balance possibly upset for the next generation?
OHV = proven reliability, cost effective, production friendly. It is here to stay
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12-31-2012, 02:24 PM
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Bigg Gunz,
I like the idea of power and durability! I've been planning out a boosted V6 build for quite a few years, having a lack of tools for fabricating the charge piping and hot side is what has kept me at bay.
Your stance of keeping the RPM's down and still keeping the engine beefy is right where I've been shooting for on my V6. Overbuild it to handle 800+ at the crank, but daily it around 400whp or bump to 600whp when set to kill mode with room to grow if I get bored.
I know the V8 guys will roll their eyes, but it is what I enjoy even if I could make that power "easier" with an LSx swap from just browsing some of the sponsor websites here.
I like the idea of power and durability! I've been planning out a boosted V6 build for quite a few years, having a lack of tools for fabricating the charge piping and hot side is what has kept me at bay.
Your stance of keeping the RPM's down and still keeping the engine beefy is right where I've been shooting for on my V6. Overbuild it to handle 800+ at the crank, but daily it around 400whp or bump to 600whp when set to kill mode with room to grow if I get bored.
I know the V8 guys will roll their eyes, but it is what I enjoy even if I could make that power "easier" with an LSx swap from just browsing some of the sponsor websites here.
As a bi/twin turbo six is on the way.
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12-31-2012, 03:07 PM
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I wonder what forced induction engine will be suited for the ZL1
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Good to hear. Not that there is really anything wrong with OHC engines, as there are some great performers out there, but there is just nothing like actually have a good torque band. I really like the idea of the new 4.3 in the trucks. In comparison to the f-150, it will most likely have about the same gas mileage as the 3.7, but the pulling power of the ecoboost without the worry of replacing turbos in a few years.
01-01-2013, 10:21 AM
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I'm guessing you're not at liberty to discuss that privately?
I'm guessing this is the one that was shown on the torture/tilt dyno when they were teasing the video with the new Gen V engines for the silverado?
If they have that as a crate and it is an affordable enough setup, that could prove to be a good option since it is built for boost to begin with...
I'm guessing this is the one that was shown on the torture/tilt dyno when they were teasing the video with the new Gen V engines for the silverado?
If they have that as a crate and it is an affordable enough setup, that could prove to be a good option since it is built for boost to begin with...
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Two more questions:
Is the E92 ECM common to all 5th gen small blocks? Are there any differences at all or will they be completely swapable from big brother to LT1?
I know this may not be your area of expertise but could you clue us in on the transverse leaf benefits found in testing? There are a lot of discussions centering on crosstalk for example when comparing to coils. It would be nice to hear something from the source on this.
Much appreciated.
01-01-2013, 09:29 PM
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01-02-2013, 01:55 AM
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It has been mentioned several times in this thread that the intake and exhaust ports are swapped for the new LT. Why? While I could easily understand why going to the LS design from gen 1's was done, this I'm not figuring out on my own.