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08-04-2005, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by denttech
"Certain other people"? what other people?
I don't get how we have sunk to to a level lower than you or your friends because we choose a different shop. I've said it before, this City, Province, country whatever, is big enough to support more than your shop alone. If your shop is having troubles it is their own doing and nothing to do with what other shops are doing.
I don't get how we have sunk to to a level lower than you or your friends because we choose a different shop. I've said it before, this City, Province, country whatever, is big enough to support more than your shop alone. If your shop is having troubles it is their own doing and nothing to do with what other shops are doing.
When have I ever sunk to your level, especially the comments you made about my Girlfriend. Show me one instance in a public forum where I have ever made any post that is as damaging as some of the posts you have made. You are an instigator and you love to stir the pot. Almost every single post you make has some sort of veiled meaning which is meant to be inflammatory. Do you have a personal stake of some kind in this or are you just doing it for some kind of strange pleasure?
I have never in the past posted regarding this topic in a public forum. I have told you in the past I do not care which shop you choose to deal with even when you were complaining to me about your poor treatment by the current shop you choose to deal with. However do not try to force your decision on me. I have repeatedly asked you to refrain from involving me in your troubles regarding your choice of performance shop.
I am very tired of all this BS and I wish it would all stop but I am no longer gonna just sit here and read it and not reply.
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Originally Posted by ORANGE JUICE1
So much for Canadians being a peacefull bunch
08-04-2005, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LS7SS
To me personally nothing Cam, and I will still be nothing but extremely polite toward you in person.
However your agenda to bash your former employer and the shop I support I find to be a bit distasteful. Perhaps you should reconsider your actions in these public forums, or have you sunk to the level of certain other people?
However your agenda to bash your former employer and the shop I support I find to be a bit distasteful. Perhaps you should reconsider your actions in these public forums, or have you sunk to the level of certain other people?
I was simply stating facts, and kept quiet about it until there was no resolution.
How about them creating a problem and never fixing it, after numerous attempts (since Dec. of last year), then telling certain owners of certain message boards I was lying about the whole story and actually built the motor.
The solution was so simple and the car finally runs properly after 2 engines last year.... and I thanked the place that got me up and running.
How is that for bashing?
08-04-2005, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SLED28
Eugenio
When Will Your Car Be Ready?
How Much Power Are You Quoted?
What Is It Costing You?
This Is A Public Forum Remember, Answer Everything Loud Mouth
When Will Your Car Be Ready?
How Much Power Are You Quoted?
What Is It Costing You?
This Is A Public Forum Remember, Answer Everything Loud Mouth
Originally Posted by SLED28
wade tell these guys to shup up dude
It is YOU who is fanning the flames....
08-04-2005, 12:23 PM
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Eugenio.
I do not know who told you the condition of your engine but it sure wasn't me since I knew that the leakdown results wern't very good.
The week you came in to pick up your car I was helping to manage operations and if anyone should have given you information regarding the status of your engine it should have been Myself or Matt and probably just me since it was Matts first week.
We went for lunch with you and everything was good. We even set you up with a Stainless Works exhaust system at our cost.
Also as far as I recall several things were done to your car on short notice to prepare it for you to take it to "Race" that weekend.
I have no control of the past and can only help correct problems going forward. I together with Matt were preparing a course of action which you agreed upon with us. This seems to have been a ruse on your part as you were planning to take your car elsewhere all along. This shows your character to me as you decieved me.
I'd like to know the answers to a few questions. Who is paying for the work we did perform on your car that week? As far as I know I think you owe for some labour and you had promised to bring back the car the following week. I believe you have an outstanding unpaid balance.
Furthermore lets get into your claims of engine trouble. Last time I heard racing, especially road racing was pretty hard on engines. You beat on that engine for a whole year and you expect it to be perfect? I dont know how you expect a shop to warranty problems caused by you racing your car. I wonder if Warren Johnson posts on the internet complaining about his engine builder when he blows his engine up. Or maybe Dale Jr. should post on the net when he oils down the straightaway.
As far as I am concerned this matter is closed as you have made the decision to go elsewhere. Perhaps you should come to the shop however to close out your unpaid balance.
The rest of you bandwagon jumpers can all FO too.
I do not know who told you the condition of your engine but it sure wasn't me since I knew that the leakdown results wern't very good.
The week you came in to pick up your car I was helping to manage operations and if anyone should have given you information regarding the status of your engine it should have been Myself or Matt and probably just me since it was Matts first week.
We went for lunch with you and everything was good. We even set you up with a Stainless Works exhaust system at our cost.
Also as far as I recall several things were done to your car on short notice to prepare it for you to take it to "Race" that weekend.
I have no control of the past and can only help correct problems going forward. I together with Matt were preparing a course of action which you agreed upon with us. This seems to have been a ruse on your part as you were planning to take your car elsewhere all along. This shows your character to me as you decieved me.
I'd like to know the answers to a few questions. Who is paying for the work we did perform on your car that week? As far as I know I think you owe for some labour and you had promised to bring back the car the following week. I believe you have an outstanding unpaid balance.
Furthermore lets get into your claims of engine trouble. Last time I heard racing, especially road racing was pretty hard on engines. You beat on that engine for a whole year and you expect it to be perfect? I dont know how you expect a shop to warranty problems caused by you racing your car. I wonder if Warren Johnson posts on the internet complaining about his engine builder when he blows his engine up. Or maybe Dale Jr. should post on the net when he oils down the straightaway.
As far as I am concerned this matter is closed as you have made the decision to go elsewhere. Perhaps you should come to the shop however to close out your unpaid balance.
The rest of you bandwagon jumpers can all FO too.
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Originally Posted by LS7SS
Eugenio.
I do not know who told you the condition of your engine but it sure wasn't me since I knew that the leakdown results wern't very good.
The week you came in to pick up your car I was helping to manage operations and if anyone should have given you information regarding the status of your engine it should have been Myself or Matt and probably just me since it was Matts first week.
We went for lunch with you and everything was good. We even set you up with a Stainless Works exhaust system at out cost.
Also as far as I recall several things were done to your car on short notice to prepare it for you to take it to "Race" that weekend.
I have no control of the past and can only help correct problems going forward. I together with Matt were preparing a course of action which you agreed upon with us. This seems to have been a ruse on your part as you were planning to take your car elsewhere all along. This shows your character to me as you decieved me.
I'd like to know the answers to a few questions. Who is paying for the work we did perform on your car that week? As far as I know I think you owe for some labour and you had promised to bring back the car the following week. I believe you have an outstanding unpaid balance.
Furthermore lets get into your claims of engine trouble. Last time I heard racing, especially road racing was pretty hard on engines. You beat on that engine for a whole year and you expect it to be perfect? I dont know how you expect a shop to warranty problems caused by you racing your car. I wonder if Warren Johnson posts on the internet complaining about his engine builder when he blows his engine up. Or maybe Dale Jr. should post on the net when he oils down the straightaway.
As far as I am concerned this matter is closed as you have made the decision to go elsewhere. Perhaps you should come to the shop however to close out your unpaid balance.
The rest of you bandwagon jumpers can all FO too.
I do not know who told you the condition of your engine but it sure wasn't me since I knew that the leakdown results wern't very good.
The week you came in to pick up your car I was helping to manage operations and if anyone should have given you information regarding the status of your engine it should have been Myself or Matt and probably just me since it was Matts first week.
We went for lunch with you and everything was good. We even set you up with a Stainless Works exhaust system at out cost.
Also as far as I recall several things were done to your car on short notice to prepare it for you to take it to "Race" that weekend.
I have no control of the past and can only help correct problems going forward. I together with Matt were preparing a course of action which you agreed upon with us. This seems to have been a ruse on your part as you were planning to take your car elsewhere all along. This shows your character to me as you decieved me.
I'd like to know the answers to a few questions. Who is paying for the work we did perform on your car that week? As far as I know I think you owe for some labour and you had promised to bring back the car the following week. I believe you have an outstanding unpaid balance.
Furthermore lets get into your claims of engine trouble. Last time I heard racing, especially road racing was pretty hard on engines. You beat on that engine for a whole year and you expect it to be perfect? I dont know how you expect a shop to warranty problems caused by you racing your car. I wonder if Warren Johnson posts on the internet complaining about his engine builder when he blows his engine up. Or maybe Dale Jr. should post on the net when he oils down the straightaway.
As far as I am concerned this matter is closed as you have made the decision to go elsewhere. Perhaps you should come to the shop however to close out your unpaid balance.
The rest of you bandwagon jumpers can all FO too.
leakdown test
put back exhaust that fell down on highway (something you guys installed the prior time)
When I took the car out of there, even when we were @ lunch we spoke about the engine and on how it was fine... if you were aware of the leakdown #s... you're just proving that you BS-ed to me, then.
Why would anyone let me bring a car to race under those conditions knowing it's a time-bomb ?
I just couldn't believe you guys found the engine to be in "PERFECT condition" so I had it checked elsewhere.
by doing that, it proved to me that you guys could no longer help me out with engines... but by doing that, you guys are ripping me out of parts that I paid that I should've gotten... how do you explain that ?
And yes the engine was smoking only for the last event, which happened the last dyno-tune from Pete where he maxed the A/F on the dyno and never let go of the gas... 18:1 A/F... HELLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
last time I checked, I missed lots of races, and last year I was not able to race once... this year I was on a sponsorship spotlight and you guys screwed it up again by not being able to commit to your word, after 4 attempts this year.
Don't you even dare start badmouthing my intentions and agenda... you guys forced it on me to have it check elsewhere... and I'm glad I did... but on top of that, you are robbing me of parts that I paid for, as well as labor I paid for that you guys weren't able to do.
Answer me this: How come your owner says:
I just wish that every morning, noone decides to open an engine up and have it checked elsewhere and post on the internet
Last time I spoke to Frankie, he was aware that I didn't get the parts that I paid for and parts that were @ the shop, and told me he would do the right thing... it seems pretty clear that the shop has taken the decision to not do the right thing, and you base this on the fact that I brought the engine elsewhere to have it checked.
If my car would have gone back, what guarantee would I get it would be worked on ???
what guarantee would I get that the engine would be fixed... after all you all told me that the engine was in PERFECT condition, yet knew it full well it wasn't
Maybe were you waiting for the engine to blow @ the track and blame the track for it... easy escape goat.
also, as far as I know, you told me:
I'm reisgning because I'm fedup of HAVING to lie to customers... don't tell anyone I told you this or I'll get in real trouble for it.
Now that the whole story is public and biting your asses, you guys start pointing fingers and question ppl intentions. shows how you fit the profile of not taking responsibility for actions/words too.
08-04-2005, 01:34 PM
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Should I also mention the rest of the parts that you told me that my parts weren't getting ordered as promised because of $$$$ issues... looks like the shop is back to his sources.. but the "culprit" as the staff puts it is no longer part of the equation.
so you remember saying that ????
remember when @ the shop (after lunch) the radiator was being filled and started the engine to remove bubbles, the was lots of smoke coming from the oil-tube and I mentionned it... most people looked away and some told me the engine is fine, it's normal... there were at least 5 employees there when that happened.
If you guys have $$$$ issues, how come that day, I only saw 2 people working, where all the others spent the whole day in the front area just chit-chatting and talking about Pete's viagra... no kidding jobs aren't done... was it because Mario wasn't in the shop ??? I know for a fact that if he was in the shop that day, ppl would have been actually working.
Keep on bashing others and question ppl intentions, I have many more questions and facts too.
You are shooting yourselves on the foot... you guys royally screwed up and are publicly telling me : "FY"
don't you think it's gonna cost you guys more than just getting me at least my parts I paid for ?
your call.
so you remember saying that ????
remember when @ the shop (after lunch) the radiator was being filled and started the engine to remove bubbles, the was lots of smoke coming from the oil-tube and I mentionned it... most people looked away and some told me the engine is fine, it's normal... there were at least 5 employees there when that happened.
If you guys have $$$$ issues, how come that day, I only saw 2 people working, where all the others spent the whole day in the front area just chit-chatting and talking about Pete's viagra... no kidding jobs aren't done... was it because Mario wasn't in the shop ??? I know for a fact that if he was in the shop that day, ppl would have been actually working.
Keep on bashing others and question ppl intentions, I have many more questions and facts too.
You are shooting yourselves on the foot... you guys royally screwed up and are publicly telling me : "FY"
don't you think it's gonna cost you guys more than just getting me at least my parts I paid for ?
your call.
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and fwiw, I haven't closed the door for making things right... as when Frankie came here, he understood my issues and knew that I wasn't going back, but that doesn't impede from you guys to make things right and give me the parts I paid for.
I'm still the same guy you know, that is fed up of the lies... and you know it very well... we had plenty of talks on that.
Andy, give me a call if you wish, you have my cell#.
ironically, everyone has my #, but noone calls me to talk to me. ???
I'm still the same
peaceful,gentlemen
Andy, give me a call if you wish, you have my cell#.
ironically, everyone has my #, but noone calls me to talk to me. ???
08-04-2005, 01:49 PM
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I sure didnt say to you what reason I was leaving for that isn't your business so dont make assumptions. I have NEVER lied to anyone while at ARE nor would I have ever had to.
Also I didnt tell you your engine was fine, in fact I questioned your decision and suggested you leave the car there because it had problems but you had your reasons for rushing the car out.
I've watched PeteK tune. He comes off the throttle the moment the A/F even starts to lean out a bit so BS on that too.
That thing you call an exhaust that you blame us for falling off your car is a mangled mess and not ARE's problem as far as I am concerned. You bring a mangled mess of pipes to a shop to get welded on you take your chances IMO. We should have never have even put that crap on your car IMO.
Like I said Eugenio your credibility with me is Zero now. I was doing my best to work out a solution for you and you decieved me. I even helped to hook you up with an exhaust at the shops cost. So I felt that I must post this publically to protect my own reputation as well as the shop I support. This you cannot deny and going forward anyone that reads this thread can plainly see this.
Please do not post BS about me saying I was leaving because I was tired of lieing and puting it as a quote in your post since that is decieveing people as well.
As I said your credibilty with me is now ZERO and I hope that others can see through your intentions as well.
Whatever you talked to other persons about at the shop besides me I also have no control over. I only know what I was doing and what I said and I'd also like to point out that you made several posts on LS2.com recently saying that you thought that Matt and I were such great guys even through all of this.
Also I didnt tell you your engine was fine, in fact I questioned your decision and suggested you leave the car there because it had problems but you had your reasons for rushing the car out.
I've watched PeteK tune. He comes off the throttle the moment the A/F even starts to lean out a bit so BS on that too.
That thing you call an exhaust that you blame us for falling off your car is a mangled mess and not ARE's problem as far as I am concerned. You bring a mangled mess of pipes to a shop to get welded on you take your chances IMO. We should have never have even put that crap on your car IMO.
Like I said Eugenio your credibility with me is Zero now. I was doing my best to work out a solution for you and you decieved me. I even helped to hook you up with an exhaust at the shops cost. So I felt that I must post this publically to protect my own reputation as well as the shop I support. This you cannot deny and going forward anyone that reads this thread can plainly see this.
Please do not post BS about me saying I was leaving because I was tired of lieing and puting it as a quote in your post since that is decieveing people as well.
As I said your credibilty with me is now ZERO and I hope that others can see through your intentions as well.
Whatever you talked to other persons about at the shop besides me I also have no control over. I only know what I was doing and what I said and I'd also like to point out that you made several posts on LS2.com recently saying that you thought that Matt and I were such great guys even through all of this.
Originally Posted by Eugenio_SS
you are right... some things were done to the car while it was there for the last 4 weeks:
leakdown test
put back exhaust that fell down on highway (something you guys installed the prior time)
When I took the car out of there, even when we were @ lunch we spoke about the engine and on how it was fine... if you were aware of the leakdown #s... you're just proving that you BS-ed to me, then.
Why would anyone let me bring a car to race under those conditions knowing it's a time-bomb ?
I just couldn't believe you guys found the engine to be in "PERFECT condition" so I had it checked elsewhere.
by doing that, it proved to me that you guys could no longer help me out with engines... but by doing that, you guys are ripping me out of parts that I paid that I should've gotten... how do you explain that ?
And yes the engine was smoking only for the last event, which happened the last dyno-tune from Pete where he maxed the A/F on the dyno and never let go of the gas... 18:1 A/F... HELLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
last time I checked, I missed lots of races, and last year I was not able to race once... this year I was on a sponsorship spotlight and you guys screwed it up again by not being able to commit to your word, after 4 attempts this year.
Don't you even dare start badmouthing my intentions and agenda... you guys forced it on me to have it check elsewhere... and I'm glad I did... but on top of that, you are robbing me of parts that I paid for, as well as labor I paid for that you guys weren't able to do.
Answer me this: How come your owner says:
I didn't say it... just quoting.
Last time I spoke to Frankie, he was aware that I didn't get the parts that I paid for and parts that were @ the shop, and told me he would do the right thing... it seems pretty clear that the shop has taken the decision to not do the right thing, and you base this on the fact that I brought the engine elsewhere to have it checked.
If my car would have gone back, what guarantee would I get it would be worked on ???
what guarantee would I get that the engine would be fixed... after all you all told me that the engine was in PERFECT condition, yet knew it full well it wasn't
Maybe were you waiting for the engine to blow @ the track and blame the track for it... easy escape goat.
also, as far as I know, you told me:
before questioning other ppl intentions, start questioning yours... that's what I have to say, all you guys had to do was tell me the truth and stick to your word... and when fixed, I would have praised you guys... you guys decided to keep on lying and F***ing with me, since I'm peaceful and quiet guy.
Now that the whole story is public and biting your asses, you guys start pointing fingers and question ppl intentions. shows how you fit the profile of not taking responsibility for actions/words too.
leakdown test
put back exhaust that fell down on highway (something you guys installed the prior time)
When I took the car out of there, even when we were @ lunch we spoke about the engine and on how it was fine... if you were aware of the leakdown #s... you're just proving that you BS-ed to me, then.
Why would anyone let me bring a car to race under those conditions knowing it's a time-bomb ?
I just couldn't believe you guys found the engine to be in "PERFECT condition" so I had it checked elsewhere.
by doing that, it proved to me that you guys could no longer help me out with engines... but by doing that, you guys are ripping me out of parts that I paid that I should've gotten... how do you explain that ?
And yes the engine was smoking only for the last event, which happened the last dyno-tune from Pete where he maxed the A/F on the dyno and never let go of the gas... 18:1 A/F... HELLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
last time I checked, I missed lots of races, and last year I was not able to race once... this year I was on a sponsorship spotlight and you guys screwed it up again by not being able to commit to your word, after 4 attempts this year.
Don't you even dare start badmouthing my intentions and agenda... you guys forced it on me to have it check elsewhere... and I'm glad I did... but on top of that, you are robbing me of parts that I paid for, as well as labor I paid for that you guys weren't able to do.
Answer me this: How come your owner says:
I didn't say it... just quoting.
Last time I spoke to Frankie, he was aware that I didn't get the parts that I paid for and parts that were @ the shop, and told me he would do the right thing... it seems pretty clear that the shop has taken the decision to not do the right thing, and you base this on the fact that I brought the engine elsewhere to have it checked.
If my car would have gone back, what guarantee would I get it would be worked on ???
what guarantee would I get that the engine would be fixed... after all you all told me that the engine was in PERFECT condition, yet knew it full well it wasn't
Maybe were you waiting for the engine to blow @ the track and blame the track for it... easy escape goat.
also, as far as I know, you told me:
before questioning other ppl intentions, start questioning yours... that's what I have to say, all you guys had to do was tell me the truth and stick to your word... and when fixed, I would have praised you guys... you guys decided to keep on lying and F***ing with me, since I'm peaceful and quiet guy.
Now that the whole story is public and biting your asses, you guys start pointing fingers and question ppl intentions. shows how you fit the profile of not taking responsibility for actions/words too.
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Originally Posted by SLED28
Eugenio
When Will Your Car Be Ready?
How Much Power Are You Quoted?
What Is It Costing You?
This Is A Public Forum Remember, Answer Everything Loud Mouth
When Will Your Car Be Ready?
How Much Power Are You Quoted?
What Is It Costing You?
This Is A Public Forum Remember, Answer Everything Loud Mouth
as for the engine, it's none of your business, in terms or power, $... but I'll guarantee you this: "It's gonna make more power than the one you built me and it's gonna be WAY more reliable, and less smokey..."
oh, and I won't have to wait over 1.5 years to get a pseudo-engine.
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I resent some of this post as well. It is not a customers position IMO to question who is working and what they are doing at a shop. As I recall when you decided to take your car back to Montreal to "race" that weekend several guys jumped at your car and within an hour that abortion you call an exhaust was welded back into your car and the coil packs and other parts reinstalled.
I do not recall you mentioning anything else about your car to me Eugenio as I was busy working while your car was being prepared. I assure you that mine and everyone else's work ethic at the shop is just fine.
Perhaps you should call the shop and settle your bill.
I do not recall you mentioning anything else about your car to me Eugenio as I was busy working while your car was being prepared. I assure you that mine and everyone else's work ethic at the shop is just fine.
Perhaps you should call the shop and settle your bill.
Originally Posted by Eugenio_SS
Should I also mention the rest of the parts that you told me that my parts weren't getting ordered as promised because of $$$$ issues... looks like the shop is back to his sources.. but the "culprit" as the staff puts it is no longer part of the equation.
so you remember saying that ????
remember when @ the shop (after lunch) the radiator was being filled and started the engine to remove bubbles, the was lots of smoke coming from the oil-tube and I mentionned it... most people looked away and some told me the engine is fine, it's normal... there were at least 5 employees there when that happened.
If you guys have $$$$ issues, how come that day, I only saw 2 people working, where all the others spent the whole day in the front area just chit-chatting and talking about Pete's viagra... no kidding jobs aren't done... was it because Mario wasn't in the shop ??? I know for a fact that if he was in the shop that day, ppl would have been actually working.
Keep on bashing others and question ppl intentions, I have many more questions and facts too.
You are shooting yourselves on the foot... you guys royally screwed up and are publicly telling me : "FY"
don't you think it's gonna cost you guys more than just getting me at least my parts I paid for ?
your call.
so you remember saying that ????
remember when @ the shop (after lunch) the radiator was being filled and started the engine to remove bubbles, the was lots of smoke coming from the oil-tube and I mentionned it... most people looked away and some told me the engine is fine, it's normal... there were at least 5 employees there when that happened.
If you guys have $$$$ issues, how come that day, I only saw 2 people working, where all the others spent the whole day in the front area just chit-chatting and talking about Pete's viagra... no kidding jobs aren't done... was it because Mario wasn't in the shop ??? I know for a fact that if he was in the shop that day, ppl would have been actually working.
Keep on bashing others and question ppl intentions, I have many more questions and facts too.
You are shooting yourselves on the foot... you guys royally screwed up and are publicly telling me : "FY"
don't you think it's gonna cost you guys more than just getting me at least my parts I paid for ?
your call.
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Gotta say that from my uninformed, uninvolved view looking at this ARE is at fault and being VERY unprofessional.
It is almost like you guys are running around saying naie naie bo bo stick your head in do do.
Then to top it all off NOT anwsering his questions but magically producing some "charge" that he owes to make him look like the bad guy.
It is a used motor, should ARE warrenty it forever? Nope. Should he have the heads he was sold or the other parts he was sold instead of some junk? Yeppers
It is almost like you guys are running around saying naie naie bo bo stick your head in do do.
Then to top it all off NOT anwsering his questions but magically producing some "charge" that he owes to make him look like the bad guy.
It is a used motor, should ARE warrenty it forever? Nope. Should he have the heads he was sold or the other parts he was sold instead of some junk? Yeppers
08-04-2005, 02:47 PM
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Andy I am sorry but this doesn't make sense. I have been quiet up to now but I have to comment.
This poor guy put down a ton of his hard earned money, sang your praises, and was probably the most patient guy I have ever seen. (up until the last couple of days anyways)
He as a paying (and up to now loyal) customer doesn't deserve this BS.
The issues were:
1) Multiple missed deadlines forcing conflict with his sponsors
2) Down on power from the very beginning
3) Missing parts that were paid for
All of the above are indisputable facts.
I know firsthand of the good work you guys are capable of. My projects with ARE have all been successful. (though occasionally slightly delayed)
This whole situation has turned FUBAR and I think the damage done to all sides is bad...
This poor guy put down a ton of his hard earned money, sang your praises, and was probably the most patient guy I have ever seen. (up until the last couple of days anyways)
He as a paying (and up to now loyal) customer doesn't deserve this BS.
The issues were:
1) Multiple missed deadlines forcing conflict with his sponsors
2) Down on power from the very beginning
3) Missing parts that were paid for
All of the above are indisputable facts.
I know firsthand of the good work you guys are capable of. My projects with ARE have all been successful. (though occasionally slightly delayed)
This whole situation has turned FUBAR and I think the damage done to all sides is bad...
08-04-2005, 02:47 PM
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I still believe you, MattG, Mario and some other guys are great.
It's true the thing with the exhaust, about helping me out... but my true duals were butchered by you guys to install the cutouts... but I'm not even concerned about that.
I'm concerned about the parts that I should've gotten that weren't in the engine, and the nitrous kit too.
You were hell-bent on making sure I left the car there... but I wanted to double-check... you guys had in the last tiem 4weeks to look into it and fix it... but decided to hide the facts straight out.
If you were concerned about the leakdown test so much, why didn't you tell me about it ? especially that I was often talking about it, saying it didn't make sense... some flags would have been triggered.
As for the tune, I know Pete has done lots of good jobs, but that day wasn't probably a good one... maybe because it was too late, but it wasn't pretty.
I'd like to meet with you guys and have you tell me it in the face that I'm lying. I know I'm not.
I'm really sorry that you have no credibility in your eyes... but I guess that with my problems, some ppl are gonna simply take sides... some are gonna like me, some are gonna feel the pain, some are gonna hate me.
You think I like having to go through all this ????
think about it for a minute.... just think on all we did discuss, the $/time I lost, the constant deceptions/lies, including the results on the leakdown.
It's true the thing with the exhaust, about helping me out... but my true duals were butchered by you guys to install the cutouts... but I'm not even concerned about that.
I'm concerned about the parts that I should've gotten that weren't in the engine, and the nitrous kit too.
You were hell-bent on making sure I left the car there... but I wanted to double-check... you guys had in the last tiem 4weeks to look into it and fix it... but decided to hide the facts straight out.
If you were concerned about the leakdown test so much, why didn't you tell me about it ? especially that I was often talking about it, saying it didn't make sense... some flags would have been triggered.
As for the tune, I know Pete has done lots of good jobs, but that day wasn't probably a good one... maybe because it was too late, but it wasn't pretty.
I'd like to meet with you guys and have you tell me it in the face that I'm lying. I know I'm not.
I'm really sorry that you have no credibility in your eyes... but I guess that with my problems, some ppl are gonna simply take sides... some are gonna like me, some are gonna feel the pain, some are gonna hate me.
You think I like having to go through all this ????
think about it for a minute.... just think on all we did discuss, the $/time I lost, the constant deceptions/lies, including the results on the leakdown.
08-04-2005, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SLED28
Like I said he's lucky for not getting a car with an empty engine bay. But of Nicks goodwill it looks like he paid out of his own pocket to help of what he could.
instead of getting the parts I didn't order and have a bad assembled block, he should've given me the $ and say case closed, get it done somewhere else, since we can't do it, or too busy... all I asked for was the truth... and kept on waiting and waiting, and waiting, and waiting... to find out I'm being lied to again, while costing me $7500 of sponsorship $ out of my pocket, not getting an engine that works well from day 1 (down in power) and then even goes back for you guys to fix the engine... and then get the slap on the face that the "engine is perfect"
I then have it checked elsewhere, a competitor of yours that you hate... there aren't a million shops around. get the results out.
From those results, you guys even have the decency to try and turn the table around saying I have an agenda ?
and even tell me that I owe you $$$$
give me a 385 w/ the heads and parts I paid for, I'll send you back the JUNK you guys gave me... and then send me the bill on the "labor" that isn't paid for.
Footnotes:
Going to ARE:
over 10k$ for pistons and rods
lost 7500$ on sponsorship $
nitrous DP-kit lost on a "Nick's special deal" to another customer.
2 seasons down the drain
kept on believing that things would resolve.. result: door shut on face w/ FY written on it.
get it checked, confirm all of the above.
for everything else, including an LS2, there is MasterCard.
08-04-2005, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SLED28
there's a bill of sale, its not magically appearing, come on man. Its hard to be professional when finally you just explode after the repeated bashings on here, and mostly on LS2.com , the biggest shithole website ever. ARE even sponsors that LS2 site and gives away engines to the owner Elmer Boggs for peanuts and he still lets the bashing go on. No wonder theres an up roar.
08-04-2005, 03:05 PM
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What do you know about the facts Chris?
Did you work at ARE by any chance I didn't notice if you did.
I only stated the facts of what I saw and was involved in while I was there.
I am tired of the bandwagoners.
Yes things get delayed everywhere.
Did you work at ARE by any chance I didn't notice if you did.
I only stated the facts of what I saw and was involved in while I was there.
I am tired of the bandwagoners.
Yes things get delayed everywhere.
Originally Posted by CHRISPY
Andy I am sorry but this doesn't make sense. I have been quiet up to now but I have to comment.
This poor guy put down a ton of his hard earned money, sang your praises, and was probably the most patient guy I have ever seen. (up until the last couple of days anyways)
He as a paying (and up to now loyal) customer doesn't deserve this BS.
The issues were:
1) Multiple missed deadlines forcing conflict with his sponsors
2) Down on power from the very beginning
3) Missing parts that were paid for
All of the above are indisputable facts.
I know firsthand of the good work you guys are capable of. My projects with ARE have all been successful. (though occasionally slightly delayed)
This whole situation has turned FUBAR and I think the damage done to all sides is bad...
This poor guy put down a ton of his hard earned money, sang your praises, and was probably the most patient guy I have ever seen. (up until the last couple of days anyways)
He as a paying (and up to now loyal) customer doesn't deserve this BS.
The issues were:
1) Multiple missed deadlines forcing conflict with his sponsors
2) Down on power from the very beginning
3) Missing parts that were paid for
All of the above are indisputable facts.
I know firsthand of the good work you guys are capable of. My projects with ARE have all been successful. (though occasionally slightly delayed)
This whole situation has turned FUBAR and I think the damage done to all sides is bad...
08-04-2005, 03:11 PM
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and now some are pissed due to bad press... what about all my ordeals ?
I'm a believer of: "what goes around, comes around..."
My conscience is clear, since I've sticked pretty much to facts, and if there is any deviation from facts, it's based on information given to me by employees, which in all respect, should be considered facts... but then again... history shows otherwise.
I never thought I would be the new "Hennesse" and post on boards about it... but the lack of professionalism and lack of trying to make things right still keeps on amazing me just because I had the engine checked at another shop... while I was perceived to go back, you were polishing my shoes... so, who is it that has a double-face standard ?
I was always straight out on my dates, goals, expectations, and even let you guys give me your own deadlines in several occasions, always taking the bad news without raisin my voice, and looking for a plan of action instead.
put it this way, it doesn't take much to make me a happy customer... I dare you to find me at least 1 person that would have gone through this whole ordeal without yelling and bashing and still believing on you guys.
I'm a believer of: "what goes around, comes around..."
My conscience is clear, since I've sticked pretty much to facts, and if there is any deviation from facts, it's based on information given to me by employees, which in all respect, should be considered facts... but then again... history shows otherwise.
I never thought I would be the new "Hennesse" and post on boards about it... but the lack of professionalism and lack of trying to make things right still keeps on amazing me just because I had the engine checked at another shop... while I was perceived to go back, you were polishing my shoes... so, who is it that has a double-face standard ?
I was always straight out on my dates, goals, expectations, and even let you guys give me your own deadlines in several occasions, always taking the bad news without raisin my voice, and looking for a plan of action instead.
put it this way, it doesn't take much to make me a happy customer... I dare you to find me at least 1 person that would have gone through this whole ordeal without yelling and bashing and still believing on you guys.
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Originally Posted by LS7SS
What do you know about the facts Chris?
I have probably referred over 100K worth of work to ARE over the years.
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Originally Posted by SLED28
eugenio its a bad assembled motor eh, a year later. LOL
as for the rest of the dammage, i'm sure the dyno didn't help... espacially that it's from then that it started smoking.