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Sean "SPRSPT" I Bought a set of heads from Eastside threw Sean and the heads were misrepresented. I was told they were milled .030. The heads were angle milled .090+ on the exhaust side and .020+ on the intake side. This made intake fitment near impossible. I had to cut plastic and brass stops on intake to make it seal. Also the 2 heads are decked different amounts. And the head is decked crooked from front to back .016. This makes the cc of the head 2 cc different from front to back. Sean keeps saying they were fine how do I know you did not do anything to them. When bought them I changed the springs and bolted them on that's it. Now I have a bent valve because there was a drastic difference in piston to valve on #1 cyl which was checked .150 intake .130 exhaust to #8 cyl which hit the exhaust valve after a high rpm pull 6600 and checked after the problem and had .080 on the exhaust I asked for a return of the head and a refund which they won't deal with us on so now I will make it be know let me know what you think.
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I Bought a set of heads from Eastside threw Sean and the heads were misrepresented. I was told they were milled .030. The heads were angle milled .090+ on the exhaust side and .020+ on the intake side. This made intake fitment near impossible. I had to cut plastic and brass stops on intake to make it seal. Also the 2 heads are decked different amounts. And the head is decked crooked from front to back .016. This makes the cc of the head 2 cc different from front to back. Sean keeps saying they were fine how do I know you did not do anything to them. When bought them I changed the springs and bolted them on that's it. Now I have a bent valve because there was a drastic difference in piston to valve on #1 cyl which was checked .150 intake .130 exhaust to #8 cyl which hit the exhaust valve after a high rpm pull 6600 and checked after the problem and had .080 on the exhaust I asked for a return of the head and a refund which they won't deal with us on so now I will make it be know let me know what you think.
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George
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Thats a bullshit response just because you made them work on the car you guys had running does not mean they were right. You misrepresented the heads said they were decked .030 and they were not thats what im protesting your a crook and misleading.
I am not going to go back and forth with this....The heads were represented as used CNC Stage III heads...."Ported and Welded" That is what they are...No further machine work was ever done to these heads to get the measurements you supposidly are coming up with....As for name calling you can have fun with that....
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Its easy to come up with measurements when you have 3 sets of stock 243 heads here to compair to. All the stock heads measured with in .001 of each other and yours was cut .020+ on the intake side and .090 on the exhaust side thus meaning angle mill. Also the heads were cut crooked from front to back .016 they run out. Be a man and take care of this. Take your heads back and return the money minus shipping and we will ship the heads back.
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The heads were never represented as anything but Used stage III heads from CNC. I have numerous PM's going back and forth with George telling him that CNC did the heads. CNC is in Florida. If George didn't look into there machining process why is that our fault. Find a post or PM that I told him anything different than they were used CNC stage III heads. Also at one point George PM'd me and said great send me the heads...They were just freshened..I will take them. I replied NO George the heads are used do you still want them he said yes send them...
This isn't about the money this is about principal... I feel a mistake was made on there end and are trying to blame us to cover up there short comings...
George another thing why wouldn't you stop once the intake didn't fit........You are telling me you checked and rechecked all the clearences...Wouldn't the intake not fitting throw up a red flag and warrant at least a call to us or CNC....? Now if the intake really didn't fit which I have a hard time believing because the car it came off of had a stock no modification done to it LS6 intake on it wouldn't you stop there and check why the intake doesn't fit....Why would just bolt the heads down and start up the car????
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Were these heads on your car or did they come off another car or something? He's making it sound like the geometry is pretty f'd on them. I told George to take pics of the heads along with some stock heads. Heck maybe he should take a pic of the heads on a motor and show the intake sealing issue he is mentioning. I hate to see two East Coast local shops have a big falling out over a set of used heads, folks reading this thread will sometimes think the worst of both sides.
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Verdad Gallardo Were these heads on your car or did they come off another car or something? He's making it sound like the geometry is pretty f'd on them. I told George to take pics of the heads along with some stock heads. Heck maybe he should take a pic of the heads on a motor and show the intake sealing issue he is mentioning. I hate to see two East Coast local shops have a big falling out over a set of used heads, folks reading this thread will sometimes think the worst of both sides.
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What I think happened is our heads were fine...Goerge didn't check anything and threw a huge cam in it and it hit...Now he is trying to blame the used heads not his workmanship....Because if he checked everything like he said he did why would he go ahead and install the heads...Wouldn't you stop....????
John: I dont understand why you say TTP vs East Side. This has nothing to do with me. George bought heads from Sean and there are issues with them. George does not work for my shop, he is a friend, plain and simple. Any battles should be faught between them and I don't need to see my shop's name in this crap.
Plain and simple, everything was checked. Yes we did not check the runout of the heads from front to back (1st chamber to 4th chamber) and we did not check the runout of the angle milling down from intake to exhaust ports. We did check piston to valve as we clearly always do, lifter preload was set correctly but we only check p-v on one cylinder because we assume that when heads are sold as freshened up that the heights are checked. Call the Heads A and B -- The drivers side head "A" was checked on Cylinder #1. The passenger side head "B" was milled differently than head "A" which is a big no-no, but unfortunately I did not check all 16 valves for clearance with the assumption that a professional set of heads were done correctly. Regarding the intake, we have seen LS6 heads milled down that have needed to have the intake bolt guides shaved down for clearance. For example george's 02 nhra formula had a .050 lingenfelter cut cnc ls6 head that he needed to be cut/smoothed down, so this is not out of the ordinary.
I do NOT install used items at all, only reason I installed these was for a personal friend and now my name gets dragged through this.
This is my first and last post regarding this subject. The heads were sold to George from Sean and/or ESP. The heads were put on here, I had NOTHING to do with the original purchase nor do I have any insight on this matter further. I hope everything works out between you guys.
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Matt Sorian
Plain and simple, everything was checked. Yes we did not check the runout of the heads from front to back (1st chamber to 4th chamber) and we did not check the runout of the angle milling down from intake to exhaust ports. We did check piston to valve as we clearly always do, lifter preload was set correctly but we only check p-v on one cylinder because we assume that when heads are sold as freshened up that the heights are checked. Call the Heads A and B -- The drivers side head "A" was checked on Cylinder #1. The passenger side head "B" was milled differently than head "A" which is a big no-no, but unfortunately I did not check all 16 valves for clearance with the assumption that a professional set of heads were done correctly. Regarding the intake, we have seen LS6 heads milled down that have needed to have the intake bolt guides shaved down for clearance. For example george's 02 nhra formula had a .050 lingenfelter cut cnc ls6 head that he needed to be cut/smoothed down, so this is not out of the ordinary.
I do NOT install used items at all, only reason I installed these was for a personal friend and now my name gets dragged through this.
This is my first and last post regarding this subject. The heads were sold to George from Sean and/or ESP. The heads were put on here, I had NOTHING to do with the original purchase nor do I have any insight on this matter further. I hope everything works out between you guys.
Thanks,
Matt Sorian
This does make a lot of sense. I know George is no stranger around motors. If things didn't look right from the get go, why proceed any further until the problem was rectified?
John: I dont understand why you say TTP vs East Side. This has nothing to do with me. George bought heads from Sean and there are issues with them. George does not work for my shop, he is a friend, plain and simple. Any battles should be faught between them and I don't need to see my shop's name in this crap.
Plain and simple, everything was checked. Yes we did not check the runout of the heads from front to back (1st chamber to 4th chamber) and we did not check the runout of the angle milling down from intake to exhaust ports. We did check piston to valve as we clearly always do, lifter preload was set correctly but we only check p-v on one cylinder because we assume that when heads are sold as freshened up that the heights are checked. Call the Heads A and B -- The drivers side head "A" was checked on Cylinder #1. The passenger side head "B" was milled differently than head "A" which is a big no-no, but unfortunately I did not check all 16 valves for clearance with the assumption that a professional set of heads were done correctly. Regarding the intake, we have seen LS6 heads milled down that have needed to have the intake bolt guides shaved down for clearance. For example george's 02 nhra formula had a .050 lingenfelter cut cnc ls6 head that he needed to be cut/smoothed down, so this is not out of the ordinary.
I do NOT install used items at all, only reason I installed these was for a personal friend and now my name gets dragged through this.
This is my first and last post regarding this subject. The heads were sold to George from Sean and/or ESP. The heads were put on here, I had NOTHING to do with the original purchase nor do I have any insight on this matter further. I hope everything works out between you guys.
Thanks,
Matt Sorian
Plain and simple, everything was checked. Yes we did not check the runout of the heads from front to back (1st chamber to 4th chamber) and we did not check the runout of the angle milling down from intake to exhaust ports. We did check piston to valve as we clearly always do, lifter preload was set correctly but we only check p-v on one cylinder because we assume that when heads are sold as freshened up that the heights are checked. Call the Heads A and B -- The drivers side head "A" was checked on Cylinder #1. The passenger side head "B" was milled differently than head "A" which is a big no-no, but unfortunately I did not check all 16 valves for clearance with the assumption that a professional set of heads were done correctly. Regarding the intake, we have seen LS6 heads milled down that have needed to have the intake bolt guides shaved down for clearance. For example george's 02 nhra formula had a .050 lingenfelter cut cnc ls6 head that he needed to be cut/smoothed down, so this is not out of the ordinary.
I do NOT install used items at all, only reason I installed these was for a personal friend and now my name gets dragged through this.
This is my first and last post regarding this subject. The heads were sold to George from Sean and/or ESP. The heads were put on here, I had NOTHING to do with the original purchase nor do I have any insight on this matter further. I hope everything works out between you guys.
Thanks,
Matt Sorian
Absolutly Matt...I never mention you...TTP and ESP are good in my book....
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i must also say, i have delt with esp for many years and have Nothing but 100% positive feed back, accually back in the day i had 2 sets of CNC heads from them with no issues, and B-Man is still currently running a set on his car with no issues.
sounds screwie to me, hope it gets resolved
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above notice the deck thickness difference eastside left stock on right
above notice the head bolt mount height difference eastside left stock on right
the above phote is the eastside head on left and stock 243 on right notice the difference in height
above is the top view of the heads notice the eastside head on the left is lower then the right stock 243 on the right
above is 2 untouch 243 heads side by side notice the height is the same
above is 2 stock 243 side by side
above is 2 stock 243 heads note deck thickness
dowel hole of eastside head
dowel hole of 243 stock head
above notice the deck thickness difference stock on top eastside on bottom
above notice the deck difference eastside on bottom stock on top
above same bolt hole both heads eastside left stock on right see how much is cut off
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And for the record did you not tell me on the phone and on the phone to pete that these heads are decked .030. And I told you that would be fine. And I admit to misunderstanding about the heads being freshend you told me before they shipped that they had a few thousand miles on them sence freshening. And I said ok ship them. These heads have not been decked by us. All machine work was preformed under eastside or cnc under the direction of eastside.
Ya the pictures do show it all....If I told you the heads were cut .030 and the intake didn't fit why wouldn't you stop and call me...Or better yet check the heads.....I told you the heads were used CNC Stage III's what ever machine work CNC does is the only machine work that was done to those heads...Period....You didn't stop installing them because you knew the heads where cut more...Come on George you have been doing this for a long time.......If you really thought those heads were cut only .030 you would have never installed them after the intake didn't fit.....
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First off I did not install the heads TTP did. And we have had fitment issues with .030 decked heads before and stock intakes normaly we do lsx intakes with heads not stock intakes and lsx intake fit with decked heads better. So I just figuered it was due to us running a stock intake that was the problem we clearenced the stops on the intake and it sealed fine. Back to what was stated you said the heads were decked .030 that means total from the life of the heads no only what you did on top of cnc performance I am sure if cnc performance decked the heads they charged you for it. Labor is not free. And you guys told me you started with brand new unused cores. Sent them to CNC had them done and installed them on the firehawk used them. Then removed them refreshed them reinstalled them for a few thousand more miles then took them off and put stockers back on. So eastside knows the full life of the heads from start to finish. And knows all machining that was performed on the heads from start to finish because they payed for it.
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