Urgent help needed
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Staging Lane
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Urgent help needed Long story, but I installed a K&N air filter kit but was missing a ECU/TCU plate, so left the bottom of the stock airbox that holds them in place and installed the filter and piping and all was fine.
Today I was trying to take that bottom piece out but it was stuck, so the ECU flung out of the holder and landed right smack on top of a very thick red wire connector that looks to be hooked to the ABS and started sparking like crazy (The outer metal heatsink of the ECU was sitting right on top) . Now the car doesn't start at all, and the information center says low fuel (ithe car is full, I just filled it up yesterday), it says service stability control system and service traction control system and cycles through that. (So seems like the ECU is completely fried. I checked all the fuses and they appear to be fine.
Anybody know a way to diagnose if it is the ECU or the wiring that got fried?
Today I was trying to take that bottom piece out but it was stuck, so the ECU flung out of the holder and landed right smack on top of a very thick red wire connector that looks to be hooked to the ABS and started sparking like crazy (The outer metal heatsink of the ECU was sitting right on top) . Now the car doesn't start at all, and the information center says low fuel (ithe car is full, I just filled it up yesterday), it says service stability control system and service traction control system and cycles through that. (So seems like the ECU is completely fried. I checked all the fuses and they appear to be fine.
Anybody know a way to diagnose if it is the ECU or the wiring that got fried?
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Staging Lane
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The negative terminal is completely stuck on, I guess I'll have to spray some WD40 to try, but for the info center saying all that stuff I think the ECU is fried, but I'm hoping it is not the ECU and the whole wiring harness too.
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if you did not blow any fuses and it stopped sparking before your battery was completely discharged, you melted at least one wire. The computer might also be fried, but i would start by checking all the wiring harnesses, including/especially grounds. Sorry to say; it's going to be a long hard, likely expensive solution.
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if you did not blow any fuses and it stopped sparking before your battery was completely discharged, you melted at least one wire. The computer might also be fried, but i would start by checking all the wiring harnesses, including/especially grounds. Sorry to say; it's going to be a long hard, likely expensive solution.
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Everything works inside the car, the AC, radio, dash lights up, keyless entry works ETC. I don`t think the battery is dead. I think when all the sparks were happening, something really bad happened, I`m just hoping it is ONLY the god damn ECU and nopt wiring or something that would be almost impossible to diagnose (other than replacing this/that) Until it works. I thought the shell of the ECU would be protected, but the heat sink just transferred all that voltage through the whole damn ECU. The info center saying that the traction and stability control system needs servicing might be from the ECU damamging the part that it contacted (I'm guessing the ABS pump) It's on the driver side of the block and is bolted on the block, it is a cylinder shape and a little thinner then a pop can. The wire that the ECU landed on was a connector that loops around a bolt and held on with a nut on that part I was describing. It is a very thick red wire.
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Staging Lane
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If anybody has a wrecked LS4 front drive, please LMK so I can buy an ECU and wiring harness from you.
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The anti theft stuff might screw you over when you try to hook it up. This is assuming it's just the ecm. Should be able to find an ecm on ebay for like 50 bucks, but it probably won't be programmed right so yea... E67 would be the newer ones I think.
http://www.eficonnection.com/eficonn...harnesses.aspx
One option if you already have hptuners or something.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-G...4506.m20.l1116
http://www.whiteautoandmedia.com/ind...hk=1&Itemid=54
More vender options. Not sure what you plan on spending on trying to fix this.
New tcm too for 10 bucks more
http://www.whiteautoandmedia.com/ind...hk=1&Itemid=54
Ok I'm done editing post lol.
http://www.eficonnection.com/eficonn...harnesses.aspx
One option if you already have hptuners or something.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-G...4506.m20.l1116
http://www.whiteautoandmedia.com/ind...hk=1&Itemid=54
More vender options. Not sure what you plan on spending on trying to fix this.
New tcm too for 10 bucks more
http://www.whiteautoandmedia.com/ind...hk=1&Itemid=54
Ok I'm done editing post lol.
Last edited by neilownz; Jun 13, 2009 at 02:21 AM.
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Staging Lane
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The anti theft stuff might screw you over when you try to hook it up. This is assuming it's just the ecm. Should be able to find an ecm on ebay for like 50 bucks, but it probably won't be programmed right so yea... E67 would be the newer ones I think.
http://www.eficonnection.com/eficonn...harnesses.aspx
One option if you already have hptuners or something.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-G...4506.m20.l1116
http://www.whiteautoandmedia.com/ind...hk=1&Itemid=54
More vender options. Not sure what you plan on spending on trying to fix this.
New tcm too for 10 bucks more
http://www.whiteautoandmedia.com/ind...hk=1&Itemid=54
Ok I'm done editing post lol.
http://www.eficonnection.com/eficonn...harnesses.aspx
One option if you already have hptuners or something.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-G...4506.m20.l1116
http://www.whiteautoandmedia.com/ind...hk=1&Itemid=54
More vender options. Not sure what you plan on spending on trying to fix this.
New tcm too for 10 bucks more
http://www.whiteautoandmedia.com/ind...hk=1&Itemid=54
Ok I'm done editing post lol.
I think I might have to buy a second car for the time this might take to fix
I have a bad feeling that even if I buy an ECU, something still won't work. I hope it didn't like fry everything in the engine bay that is electronic. Thread Starter
Staging Lane
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The anti theft stuff might screw you over when you try to hook it up. This is assuming it's just the ecm. Should be able to find an ecm on ebay for like 50 bucks, but it probably won't be programmed right so yea... E67 would be the newer ones I think.
http://www.eficonnection.com/eficonn...harnesses.aspx
One option if you already have hptuners or something.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-G...4506.m20.l1116
http://www.whiteautoandmedia.com/ind...hk=1&Itemid=54
More vender options. Not sure what you plan on spending on trying to fix this.
New tcm too for 10 bucks more
http://www.whiteautoandmedia.com/ind...hk=1&Itemid=54
Ok I'm done editing post lol.
http://www.eficonnection.com/eficonn...harnesses.aspx
One option if you already have hptuners or something.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-G...4506.m20.l1116
http://www.whiteautoandmedia.com/ind...hk=1&Itemid=54
More vender options. Not sure what you plan on spending on trying to fix this.
New tcm too for 10 bucks more
http://www.whiteautoandmedia.com/ind...hk=1&Itemid=54
Ok I'm done editing post lol.
If I get a used ECU, do I have to take it to a GM dealer with my cars VIN and pay them to program it? (Just to see if that even fixes the problem?) Could they do it without the car being there?
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the computers are pretty tough on these things and the arc would have been on the case. therefore mostly heat damage if any to the electronic bits. I would carefully clean the burn marks off the pin with some very, very fine sandpaper and plug it back in before you start looking for a one.
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Staging Lane
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the computers are pretty tough on these things and the arc would have been on the case. therefore mostly heat damage if any to the electronic bits. I would carefully clean the burn marks off the pin with some very, very fine sandpaper and plug it back in before you start looking for a one.
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Staging Lane
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I got my used ECM from an '06 GMC Envoy Denali that has the same PCM and a 5.3L VORTEC. The ECM has the same service number.
Should I try to start the car with this ECM? I want to avoid the tow truck cost of getting the car to the dealer to get it flashed to the '05 GP GXP but wondering if trying to start the car can do any harm (assuming it were to work) If I use my cars TCU I would think that the only differences are the fuel maps that give the Envoy torque at a lower RPM and slightly less HP at lower RPM and my TCU would know what to control for the tranny. Another thing is I'm not sure if this ECM came out of an AWD Denali, so not sure if that will make a difference either.
Please if anyone has experience with this LMK.
Should I try to start the car with this ECM? I want to avoid the tow truck cost of getting the car to the dealer to get it flashed to the '05 GP GXP but wondering if trying to start the car can do any harm (assuming it were to work) If I use my cars TCU I would think that the only differences are the fuel maps that give the Envoy torque at a lower RPM and slightly less HP at lower RPM and my TCU would know what to control for the tranny. Another thing is I'm not sure if this ECM came out of an AWD Denali, so not sure if that will make a difference either.
Please if anyone has experience with this LMK.
Last edited by highonpsi; Jun 19, 2009 at 05:43 PM.
I got my used ECM from an '06 GMC Envoy Denali that has the same 5.3L LS4. It has the same service number.
Should I try to start the car with this ECM? I want to avoid the tow truck cost of getting the car to the dealer to get it flashed to the '05 GP GXP but wondering if trying to start the car can do any harm (assuming it were to work) If I use my cars TCU I would think that the only differences are the fuel maps that give the Envoy torque at a lower RPM and slightly less HP at lower RPM and my TCU would know what to control for the tranny. Another thing is I'm not sure if this ECM came out of an AWD Denali, so not sure if that will make a difference either.
Please if anyone has experience with this LMK.
Should I try to start the car with this ECM? I want to avoid the tow truck cost of getting the car to the dealer to get it flashed to the '05 GP GXP but wondering if trying to start the car can do any harm (assuming it were to work) If I use my cars TCU I would think that the only differences are the fuel maps that give the Envoy torque at a lower RPM and slightly less HP at lower RPM and my TCU would know what to control for the tranny. Another thing is I'm not sure if this ECM came out of an AWD Denali, so not sure if that will make a difference either.
Please if anyone has experience with this LMK.
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The LS4 is not the 5.3 from the trucks. The only things that have LS4's are 05-08 Pontiac Grand Prix GXP's, 06-07 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS's, 06-09 Impala SS's, and i think 08-09 Buick Lacrosse Supers.
That engine is a 5.3 liter Iron Block...the LS4 is a 5.3 Aluminum Block derived from the LS1/LS6/LS2.
WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE THE SAME ENGINE......
Do your homework....
That engine is a 5.3 liter Iron Block...the LS4 is a 5.3 Aluminum Block derived from the LS1/LS6/LS2.
WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE THE SAME ENGINE......
Do your homework.... The LS4 is not the 5.3 from the trucks. The only things that have LS4's are 05-08 Pontiac Grand Prix GXP's, 06-07 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS's, 06-09 Impala SS's, and i think 08-09 Buick Lacrosse Supers.
That engine is a 5.3 liter Iron Block...the LS4 is a 5.3 Aluminum Block derived from the LS1/LS6/LS2.
WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE THE SAME ENGINE...... Do your homework....
That engine is a 5.3 liter Iron Block...the LS4 is a 5.3 Aluminum Block derived from the LS1/LS6/LS2.
WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE THE SAME ENGINE......
Do your homework....No need to be rude, the programming could be the same. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt here. Good luck....
