ZZP Performance Motor Mount
I know i had no luck forcing the stock bushing out of the mount, but i also tried to do this quickly over my lunch break...so my patience was limited. I hacked it up with a sawzall.
I'll try to find the receipt from the replacement mount i bought when i got rid of the ZZP, but i think i paid between $40 and $50 through a member at NAIOA.
However, this unit sounds promising...i'd love to know how well it handles the cold weather...which really did in the ZZP.
I'll try to find the receipt from the replacement mount i bought when i got rid of the ZZP, but i think i paid between $40 and $50 through a member at NAIOA.
However, this unit sounds promising...i'd love to know how well it handles the cold weather...which really did in the ZZP.
Originally Posted by BuffaloSS
I'll try to find the receipt from the replacement mount i bought when i got rid of the ZZP, but i think i paid between $40 and $50 through a member at NAIOA.
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I have my stock mount also. I am not to sure if I will swap out mounts during the winter. We get up to -40 in Calgary so I might because the mount will definatley get hard as hell in that weather. But this motor mount is way different then the ZZP it has the stock feel (far as drive) but it has all of the positive things you want far as more feel of torque to the ground etc.
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Installed mine today and noticed major improvement. Firm but no vibration at all. No new squeaks or rattles. Super service. Ordered sat. 8/11 & received Wed. 8/15. I ordered one motor mount by sending an email to 3800 performance and received this response:
Order this product below, and I will ship you the Motor Mount. Please email
me after you order as a reminder.
This is a valve cover breather assembly costing $39.99
http://www.3800performance.com/Merch...Product_Code=C
ASPERS-VCB&Category_Code=EC&Product_Count=10
Best Regards,
3800 Performance
www.3800performance.com
Order this product below, and I will ship you the Motor Mount. Please email
me after you order as a reminder.
This is a valve cover breather assembly costing $39.99
http://www.3800performance.com/Merch...Product_Code=C
ASPERS-VCB&Category_Code=EC&Product_Count=10
Best Regards,
3800 Performance
www.3800performance.com
Originally Posted by rbrow53
Installed mine today and noticed major improvement. Firm but no vibration at all. No new squeaks or rattles. Super service. Ordered sat. 8/11 & received Wed. 8/15. I ordered one motor mount by sending an email to 3800 performance and received this response:
Order this product below, and I will ship you the Motor Mount. Please email
me after you order as a reminder.
This is a valve cover breather assembly costing $39.99
http://www.3800performance.com/Merch...Product_Code=C
ASPERS-VCB&Category_Code=EC&Product_Count=10
Best Regards,
3800 Performance
www.3800performance.com
Order this product below, and I will ship you the Motor Mount. Please email
me after you order as a reminder.
This is a valve cover breather assembly costing $39.99
http://www.3800performance.com/Merch...Product_Code=C
ASPERS-VCB&Category_Code=EC&Product_Count=10
Best Regards,
3800 Performance
www.3800performance.com
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Has anyone who has done this had any trouble getting it back together? Last time i flipped the MM the dogbone did not reach the mount. I started the engine and had to use a breaker bar to pull it forward to get it to reach. Then, to add insult to injury, i dropped the nut into the bumper cavity and could not find it. Luckily, i happened to have the a pair of prefect size grade 8 nuts sitting around (yeah, that seems like a punch line to a dirty joke, huh?) That being said, the first couple times i took this apart everything went quite smoothly.
hexx...if you're a member at NAIOA, which i believe you are, PM "ZSPOT" and ask him for it. I PM'd him yesterday and he said he thinks his cost for the part is $36.xx + shipping...but it's heavy so i think i paid $42 or $43 total...can't remember. IIRC, the dealer wanted $55 for it and it needed to be ordered...and Z's price was considerably better than all of the other GM parts stores online. He ships fast, too.
According to the early version of the Impala/MC part list, it's called "Brkt, Strut/Tie Bar" in the "Engine/Trans Mounts" section...but shows no price or part number (which reminds me that i need to buy an updated parts list).
Originally Posted by hexxLS4
I wonder if there is an associated GM part number for this...because I'd love to do the mod.
According to the early version of the Impala/MC part list, it's called "Brkt, Strut/Tie Bar" in the "Engine/Trans Mounts" section...but shows no price or part number (which reminds me that i need to buy an updated parts list).
Originally Posted by BuffaloSS
hexx...if you're a member at NAIOA, which i believe you are, PM "ZSPOT" and ask him for it.
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I just put one of these in my 06 MCSS:
http://www.3800performance.com/msp_tbv2_mm_install1.htm
First off, the instructions are clearly for a GTO, not an MC. The bolt sizes/locations are wrong, but easy enough to figure out.
Second, the sides of this mount need to be modified. In the instructions, you'll see that the sides of this mount have cutouts where the flange of the metal mount comes out, and the sides sort of butt up against these flanges of metal. Well, on the MC, these don't line up, flipping them did no good. I actually had to take out my dremmel and cut away a bit of the material on one side of each of the "sides" for the new mount so they would drop flush against the main block of the mount.
Once I'd modded the sides so they would drop flush against the middle block of the mount, put it all back together, and tested it out, I was pleased.
Firm feel, delivers more torque to the wheels for sure. A bit of vibration telegraphed to the driver but not annoying, just feels "tight" I guess. It's what you want to feel when you replace the stock mount.
Anyhow, on a 1-10 scale, I give these a solid 8. -1 for the installation instructions being so far off for the MC, and -1 for having to modify the sides to fit my MC (there is no indication that these wouldn't just slap right in on their site, but they defintely do NOT, and must be modified to lay flat against the middle block of the mount on an 06 MCSS).
http://www.3800performance.com/msp_tbv2_mm_install1.htm
First off, the instructions are clearly for a GTO, not an MC. The bolt sizes/locations are wrong, but easy enough to figure out.
Second, the sides of this mount need to be modified. In the instructions, you'll see that the sides of this mount have cutouts where the flange of the metal mount comes out, and the sides sort of butt up against these flanges of metal. Well, on the MC, these don't line up, flipping them did no good. I actually had to take out my dremmel and cut away a bit of the material on one side of each of the "sides" for the new mount so they would drop flush against the main block of the mount.
Once I'd modded the sides so they would drop flush against the middle block of the mount, put it all back together, and tested it out, I was pleased.
Firm feel, delivers more torque to the wheels for sure. A bit of vibration telegraphed to the driver but not annoying, just feels "tight" I guess. It's what you want to feel when you replace the stock mount.
Anyhow, on a 1-10 scale, I give these a solid 8. -1 for the installation instructions being so far off for the MC, and -1 for having to modify the sides to fit my MC (there is no indication that these wouldn't just slap right in on their site, but they defintely do NOT, and must be modified to lay flat against the middle block of the mount on an 06 MCSS).
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yeah, I tried both ways by flipping it over to no avail. There was just no way around it, in order to get them to "flush" to the center block of the mount and get by the "flanged" parts of the bracket, I had to trim back the shorter side about 1/2" so it would get by the flange.
Again, this is for a 2006 MC SS, single radiator bracket.
Again, this is for a 2006 MC SS, single radiator bracket.
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Again, this is for a 2006 MC SS, single radiator bracket.
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It'll be interesting to see what he wound up doing. You can see the issue in the last picture clearly here:
http://www.3800performance.com/msp_tbv2_mm_install2.htm
Notice how along the bottom, the "shorter lip", it's supposed to clear that angular piece of metal on the bracket. You can see even in THAT pic it doesn't quite clear the metal, but on the 06 MCSS it's more prominent, and I had to make that "notch" on the shorter side about 1/2" longer to clear that flange. Only then would it sit flat against the block.
It'd be interesting to see what other MC folks had to do with this mount. If you don't lengthen that notch and just cram it in it definitely doesn't fit right. It has to be shaved back a bit to fit. I probably should have taken some pictures, but it will be evident to any of us MC owners that it's not an exact fit with regard to the sides of this mount and has to be modified to work correctly.
http://www.3800performance.com/msp_tbv2_mm_install2.htm
Notice how along the bottom, the "shorter lip", it's supposed to clear that angular piece of metal on the bracket. You can see even in THAT pic it doesn't quite clear the metal, but on the 06 MCSS it's more prominent, and I had to make that "notch" on the shorter side about 1/2" longer to clear that flange. Only then would it sit flat against the block.
It'd be interesting to see what other MC folks had to do with this mount. If you don't lengthen that notch and just cram it in it definitely doesn't fit right. It has to be shaved back a bit to fit. I probably should have taken some pictures, but it will be evident to any of us MC owners that it's not an exact fit with regard to the sides of this mount and has to be modified to work correctly.
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ah, thanks for weighing in CMF. I admit I was a bit surprised that they weren't an exact fit, but trimming them down wasn't a big deal, though I was second-guessing myself as I was doing. I spent a good 5 minutes f'ing about with them, flipping them around, etc, making SURE I wasn't missing something. 
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Yeah, it is definitely a bit rougher...a bit more responsive with regard to torque, and I notice the ride reflects that stiff mount. I assume there is a small breakin period, but the whole idea is to keep that "stiffness" so you don't lose the torque as you do in the softer and more forgiving stock mount.
I'll give it 100 or so miles and report back
I'll give it 100 or so miles and report back
Same thing here, had to trim it. Also I noticed our bracket is square on two ends whereas the mount is rounded on three edges and square on only one. Don't know if it matters much. I noticed a bit of shudder when coasting to a stop sign with the new mount. Probaly needs a little break in.
On a side note, does anyone know what the torque settings should be for the motor mount bolts? As well as the dogbone?
On a side note, does anyone know what the torque settings should be for the motor mount bolts? As well as the dogbone?
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last time I flipped my motor mount, I applied
8-beers-&-turn-as-far-&-hard-as-I-could-till-it-wouldn't-budge-anymore foot/pounds...
dunno if that's the correct value though, but I know it ain't moving...
8-beers-&-turn-as-far-&-hard-as-I-could-till-it-wouldn't-budge-anymore foot/pounds...
dunno if that's the correct value though, but I know it ain't moving...
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