Elbow and air foil?
As far as the elbow though, if you want a new elbow go for it. If you're getting it for performance, you won't see much. You may gain a few HP with the air foil, but you can buy those used for like $20.
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FWIW i've heard the LS1 lid will only work on a camaro with a stock hood. A firebird/TA would require a ram air hood, and if your gonna do that you might as well just get the correct LT1 WS6 airbox
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Most people take the silencer off the stock elbow anyway and plug it with a shampoo or deodorant cap. I don't think you'll notice much of a sound change though.
So would you like to explain to me how an LS1 airbox is going to show greater gains than an LT1 CAI? Because your post explained absolutely nothing. The only reason I can think of is because it is alot more like ram air but at the same time it is also alot closer (so warmer) to the engine bay. I've talked to someone who did it and he said he didn't see any track gains.
Most people take the silencer off the stock elbow anyway and plug it with a shampoo or deodorant cap. I don't think you'll notice much of a sound change though.
Most people take the silencer off the stock elbow anyway and plug it with a shampoo or deodorant cap. I don't think you'll notice much of a sound change though.
i had Lt1 cai's prior and the moroso had the least gain,the K&N was far more superior then i did the lid conversion and picked up 1.5mph comparison was done at the track same day.so when you compare the price of a CAI,elbow,air foil and overall performance the lid wins hands down!
well if the person you talked to did not see a gain there would definately be an issue! http://www.lt1engine.com/tech/ls1-li...k-camaro-hood/
i had Lt1 cai's prior and the moroso had the least gain,the K&N was far more superior then i did the lid conversion and picked up 1.5mph comparison was done at the track same day.so when you compare the price of a CAI,elbow,air foil and overall performance the lid wins hands down!
i had Lt1 cai's prior and the moroso had the least gain,the K&N was far more superior then i did the lid conversion and picked up 1.5mph comparison was done at the track same day.so when you compare the price of a CAI,elbow,air foil and overall performance the lid wins hands down!
As far as the LS1 lid goes, that's good to hear. But I'd still like to see some dyno numbers.
who gives two ***** about dyno numbers,it is an instrument for tunning!
GO to the track,that will tell you what works!
K&N and Moroso side by side DO NOT resemble one another with the exception of the radiator dimple
i stand by my statement, especially since i have used the K&N,moroso,home made,stock w/cut out face and Ls1 Lid (SLP with FRAM paper filter infact)
LID FOR THE WINlol
GO to the track,that will tell you what works!
K&N and Moroso side by side DO NOT resemble one another with the exception of the radiator dimple
i stand by my statement, especially since i have used the K&N,moroso,home made,stock w/cut out face and Ls1 Lid (SLP with FRAM paper filter infact)
LID FOR THE WINlol
who gives two ***** about dyno numbers,it is an instrument for tunning!
GO to the track,that will tell you what works!
K&N and Moroso side by side DO NOT resemble one another with the exception of the radiator dimple
i stand by my statement, especially since i have used the K&N,moroso,home made,stock w/cut out face and Ls1 Lid (SLP with FRAM paper filter infact)
LID FOR THE WINlol
GO to the track,that will tell you what works!
K&N and Moroso side by side DO NOT resemble one another with the exception of the radiator dimple
i stand by my statement, especially since i have used the K&N,moroso,home made,stock w/cut out face and Ls1 Lid (SLP with FRAM paper filter infact)
LID FOR THE WINlol
But at the track alot of variables come into play, including bringing a human into the mix. By that I mean maybe the first run was a bad run; maybe the second was a great run; etc. There's just alot more variables when it comes to a drag pass than there is on a dyno.
But I do agree with you, the numbers at the track are what matters.
The reason I say dyno numbers is because the gain is so little that with track times its hard to be accurate - I'm not saying dyno's are 100% accurate by any means.
But at the track alot of variables come into play, including bringing a human into the mix. By that I mean maybe the first run was a bad run; maybe the second was a great run; etc. There's just alot more variables when it comes to a drag pass than there is on a dyno.
But I do agree with you, the numbers at the track are what matters.
But at the track alot of variables come into play, including bringing a human into the mix. By that I mean maybe the first run was a bad run; maybe the second was a great run; etc. There's just alot more variables when it comes to a drag pass than there is on a dyno.
But I do agree with you, the numbers at the track are what matters.
to be honest with you and everyone else the lid was the least expensive mod i have ever done to my Z infact i spent 2hrs along with 50.00 to do it.
used Slp lid and Ls1 bellow 30.00
new Fram filter 10.00
1 small sheet of metal 10.00
opposed to a
used cai 100.00-150.00
elbow 45.00-75.00
plus this is straight thru no 90° bends and much shorter for air to travel..
i gotcha bro,
to be honest with you and everyone else the lid was the least expensive mod i have ever done to my Z infact i spent 2hrs along with 50.00 to do it.
used Slp lid and Ls1 bellow 30.00
new Fram filter 10.00
1 small sheet of metal 10.00
opposed to a
used cai 100.00-150.00
elbow 45.00-75.00
plus this is straight thru no 90° bends and much shorter for air to travel..
to be honest with you and everyone else the lid was the least expensive mod i have ever done to my Z infact i spent 2hrs along with 50.00 to do it.
used Slp lid and Ls1 bellow 30.00
new Fram filter 10.00
1 small sheet of metal 10.00
opposed to a
used cai 100.00-150.00
elbow 45.00-75.00
plus this is straight thru no 90° bends and much shorter for air to travel..
But as far as the rest goes, you got me.
Wouldn't that only matter when you first start the car? Once you go WOT and the air starts flowing in, it should be pretty much the same. I'm not trying to argue with you at all, just trying to understand more.
He's asking if an Elbow is a good deal.. and then the Lid came up, so maybe the OP would have an interest in reading about the Lid. 
The reason the Lid works better is because it's a shorter Intake, and the air has to travel less, and straighter. That Elbow plus the atleast 12 more inches of Ducting actually hinders air flow. The higher RPM you get, the harder it will be for the Engine to get air in.
My Lid setup is appx. 12" long at the longest point from the Throttle Body to the Filter, and 4" wide at the smallest point, so you see how it can flow alot of air.
My Lid setup is appx. 12" long at the longest point from the Throttle Body to the Filter, and 4" wide at the smallest point, so you see how it can flow alot of air.