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Old 08-20-2009, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by pyro719
Ok so what cam would you recommend for my setup?
Something custom from AI, I agree these heads are overkill on a hotcam, you would just be wasting your time.
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Originally Posted by Turnin20s
Something custom from AI, I agree these heads are overkill on a hotcam, you would just be wasting your time.
Wasting your time, NO. Better options out there for a cam, YES.
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Originally Posted by pyro719
Ok so what cam would you recommend for my setup?
The hotcam has really low duration and is .525 lift on both sides with 1.6rrs, and these heads flow into the .600s...it is way too small a cam! Mildly ported stockers are plenty for a hotcam, no need to spend that much on heads with it.

I would ask someone like AI or LE to grind a cam that will give you the rpm range and streetability you want using these heads, since power is not a top concern if you are even considering the hotcam anyway.

That way you would be able to have it peak where you want it and start making power where you need it, while still being just as drivable as the hotcam and make more power.
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Originally Posted by Z-RATED94
Wasting your time, NO. Better options out there for a cam, YES.
I disagree. Comments like him wanting a hotcam with a GOOD set of heads is why alot of people have setups that don't work and why alot of people are dissapointed in their setups. Kind of like a badass set of LE or AI heads on a 383 with a hotcam :puke: Hotcam with stock heads and bottom end sure.

But I guess I don't have room to talk with a CC306 with my setup, but it works really well IMO
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Originally Posted by Turnin20s
I disagree. Comments like him wanting a hotcam with a GOOD set of heads is why alot of people have setups that don't work and why alot of people are dissapointed in their setups. Kind of like a badass set of LE or AI heads on a 383 with a hotcam :puke: Hotcam with stock heads and bottom end sure.

But I guess I don't have room to talk with a CC306 with my setup, but it works really well IMO
I'd rather see him purchase those heads and then worry about a custom cam. I too would use something (cam) spec'd for the total combo.
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Originally Posted by Z-RATED94
I'd rather see him purchase those heads and then worry about a custom cam. I too would use something (cam) spec'd for the total combo.
I agree, I'm not trying to argue about it, but we see alot of combos ruined by a cam that doesn't suit the setup.

If your spending the money for a nice set of heads why not compliment them with a nice cam that will put a big smile on your face everytime you get behind the wheel.
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Looks like those 21 degree heads flow alot more than stock all over the board. and they only gain 7cmf from .500 to .600.I'm not doubting there are better cams than the hotcam. But I could buy these heads slap them on and gain power. Then later down the road when I have more money I can slap a bigger cam in and gain more power. Turnin20's what kind of track times are you running? Just for the record the day I got my 12.01 pass a magnacharged ls1 @ 8psi was running 12.4 and a heads and cam ls1 with a 100 shot was running 12.2. They were pissed that my hotcam only car with 150 shot was walking all over them hahahahaha And dont forget My Track is usually around 7800 DA.
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Advance Induction does fantastic work no doubt, and the 21 degree casting has a lot of potential. However if I was in the head market at the moment I wouldn't be buying these castings

Something worth looking into would be AFR's new eliminator 235 runner head, for you flow bench racers they flow 345 at .650 lift. I know someone testing some of these heads on SBC, should know some info pretty soon.
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Originally Posted by T/A KID
Advance Induction does fantastic work no doubt, and the 21 degree casting has a lot of potential. However if I was in the head market at the moment I wouldn't be buying these castings

Something worth looking into would be AFR's new eliminator 235 runner head, for you flow bench racers they flow 345 at .650 lift. I know someone testing some of these heads on SBC, should know some info pretty soon.
Not really the same target audience though. The AFRs should be absolutely sick 23* heads for big strokers, FI, and max effort builds but these are bolt-on out of the box performers that keep the CR high and have decent cc's for stock cubes .

Both have their places (unlike the Edlebroke junk they pawn to the LTX crowd).
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Ok so Maybe I wait and pickup a set of trick flow 21's ported by ai with an ai cam. would this be overkill for the stock shortblock? Also would I need new rockers? I have sa crane gold 1.6's now.
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Originally Posted by pyro719
Ok so Maybe I wait and pickup a set of trick flow 21's ported by ai with an ai cam. would this be overkill for the stock shortblock? Also would I need new rockers? I have sa crane gold 1.6's now.
You will want NSA rockers and run guide plates. I have read that with bigger cams SA rockers may fall off the valve.
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Even more reason to keep the hotcam for now Should be an accurate test of what kind of power these heads will make over stock. for what its worth I know a guy making 400rwhp with the hotcam and old gtp ported heads.
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You will want NSA rockers and run guide plates. I have read that with bigger cams SA rockers may fall off the valve.
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Originally Posted by pyro719
Even more reason to keep the hotcam for now Should be an accurate test of what kind of power these heads will make over stock. for what its worth I know a guy making 400rwhp with the hotcam and old gtp ported heads.
Thats entirely up to you, but like I said to really make it even better and have the fullest potential I would get a custom cam, the hotcam is old technoligy, just like my cam is. There are ALOT of ALOT better cams out there now.
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Originally Posted by pyro719
Even more reason to keep the hotcam for now Should be an accurate test of what kind of power these heads will make over stock. for what its worth I know a guy making 400rwhp with the hotcam and old gtp ported heads.
How big of a shot does he use to get to 400 RWHP?
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The car made 400 with out spray. I think its down to like 389 now after like 15 years on the stock shortblock.
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Originally Posted by pyro719
The car made 400 with out spray. I think its down to like 389 now after like 15 years on the stock shortblock.
I just read your sig, your running a 13.92@98mph with your current mods on motor and 12.0@112 on a 150 shot?

But I'd like to see the dyno sheet, thats kind of hard to believe, was he running 110 or something to get the numbers?
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I'm sure he will chime in soon. His car runs 11.4 at full weight in denver. 8500 density altitude. Would be a 10 second car with out a doubt at sea level.
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Anyone know what kind of lift these heads will support before piston to valve clearance becomes an issue on the stock shortblock?
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Originally Posted by pyro719
Anyone know what kind of lift these heads will support before piston to valve clearance becomes an issue on the stock shortblock?
The largest we have checked is a 230 duration .600" lift and had a ton of room left.
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