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Old 12-23-2008, 10:47 PM
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yes..Bolo is a rare occasion of these lasting so long. The car tends to make more power every time it goes on the dyno

+ Patriots were not available back in the day
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Originally Posted by LS1 SPEED
I see no point in the 918 for the price of the Patriot kit.

The Patriot kit comes with duals springs, titanium retainers, locks, locators and new valve seals. This is a better spring and lighter over the steel retainer people are suggesting. There is very little cost for the the Patriot and I promise this spring will outlast the 918 .

The 918 works great on a Ls motor, but there is far less weight in the rockers compared to an LT. This seems to be the thing most people don't think about.
The retainer is so small for the 918, you really aren't saving any weight with the big titanium retainer on the Patriots. I'm not gonna argue any of your other points.
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I have the 918s on my TA, I had zero install issues, everything went in great, no machine work needed.

I think I have about 5 to 10K miles on them too

What ever you decide to do, call the Tech line from whatever company you decide to buy from, it will save alot of trouble.
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yeah so far i have over 1k miles on my 918's and everythings good *crosses fingers* if i had known about the patriots i might of gone with them for that price. worse comes to worse get yourself some new locks for what. $22 thats nothing for alittle insurance
Old 12-24-2008, 09:26 AM
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Looks like im goin that route then!
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The 918s get a bad rap because some people missused them, see post #12 for an example.

Use them within their limits and they work great, try and make them control a square lobe and they break.
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
The 918s get a bad rap because some people missused them, see post #12 for an example.

Use them within their limits and they work great, try and make them control a square lobe and they break.
918's also had a bad batch made some time ago also where tons of them broke. If I am not mistaken.
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Originally Posted by bombebomb
918's also had a bad batch made some time ago also where tons of them broke. If I am not mistaken.
This is true..I actually had a set during that time and returned them
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Originally Posted by Elliott's94Z
This is true..I actually had a set during that time and returned them
i ordered mine alittle over a month ago. i hope there not one from that batch :x id hate to have a valve spring snap on my otherwise stock LT1
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That was years ago and post 12 shows what I mean about it was not just the springs.
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
That was years ago
That is true, I think it was early '06 or even '05, cant remember for sure.

But since then some people have started to believe this stigma about Comp Cams stuff.

Believe half of what you read on these forums when it comes to complaints, and trust only 1/4 of that
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The bad batch issue is far in the past as mentioned. We use a lot of the PAC springs which is what the original 918 was, but from what I understand they sourced a cheaper option for the current 918.

The 918 is a good spring and if setup properly and not abused ( cold motors ) they will last as mentioned and seen by other responses.

I was just stating for the final cost I feel the Patriot kit is the way to go.
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Originally Posted by LS1 SPEED
I see no point in the 918 for the price of the Patriot kit.

The Patriot kit comes with duals springs, titanium retainers, locks, locators and new valve seals. This is a better spring and lighter over the steel retainer people are suggesting. There is very little cost for the the Patriot and I promise this spring will outlast the 918 .

The 918 works great on a Ls motor, but there is far less weight in the rockers compared to an LT. This seems to be the thing most people don't think about.
Agreed. If I had only known about the Patriot kit a couple months ago, I would've went ahead and ordered them. It would've saved me about $75-$100.
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Originally Posted by tspence45
Agreed. If I had only known about the Patriot kit a couple months ago, I would've went ahead and ordered them. It would've saved me about $75-$100.
agreed. it looks like an impressive set. that and i wouldnt be to concerned about the springs breaking on me. like how i feel now
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the pariot kit looks pretty badass and at a good price point. But to play devils advocate here, the overall mass of a 918 kit with ti. retainers will weigh a decent amount less (relatively speaking for a valvetrain) then the patorit kit. You only have a single spring to move and a real small ti. retainer vs. there bigger ti. retainer and a bigger dia. duel springs. I have the 918 ti. stuff in my car so im a little bias, lol, but just throwin some more stuff out there to debate.
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Originally Posted by Taubr Unit
the pariot kit looks pretty badass and at a good price point. But to play devils advocate here, the overall mass of a 918 kit with ti. retainers will weigh a decent amount less (relatively speaking for a valvetrain) then the patorit kit. You only have a single spring to move and a real small ti. retainer vs. there bigger ti. retainer and a bigger dia. duel springs. I have the 918 ti. stuff in my car so im a little bias, lol, but just throwin some more stuff out there to debate.
or just more things to try and point out to make the 918's sound better :p but i do agree the 918 stuff weighed less then the stock valve train. i dont have the Ti retainers or anything. but its so small that it doesnt matter. that and the beehives design actually opens faster then the retainers can
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As mentioned, I have the Comp 918's now with no issues. But If I were to swap cam again, I, too would look into those Patriot Extreme valve springs.
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soooo do you need the 611-16 or 614-16 locks with the 918s......?
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CCA-611-16's
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Is the Patriot stuff made in China? That would explain the price.



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