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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 11:58 AM
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I made 312 with no cam and stock heads. I'm putting the ported heads on right now along with the ported intake. Will be heading back to the dyno soon. I'm even hoping for 320. LOL
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 12:03 PM
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that is pretty respectable through a bolt on m6, i am an a4 so I couldn't get that much with just bolt ons but I thought a cam swap should give me something!!
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 12:08 PM
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315ish.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 12:39 PM
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i'd say a little higher than what everyine else is saying. maybe around 325 rwhp or so? Dyno numbers should'nt be important, its just a tool to tune the car. Im sure with ur setup it will make for a pretty nasty street/strip car.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JB_97ws6TA
that is pretty respectable through a bolt on m6, i am an a4 so I couldn't get that much with just bolt ons but I thought a cam swap should give me something!!
By the look of your signature your got a stout converter. Through an A4 unfortunately I don't see that cam making more than 330. It's not a huge cam. Don't be discouraged! It's not dyno numbers that win races.... it's a good driver and a car that makes power within IT'S powerband.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 01:09 PM
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315rwhp.

Mark my words though, it will embarass m6s at the track that put down a lot more.

Save the dyno racing for the supras.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 01:12 PM
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^^^that sig cracks me up everytime I read it...then I recognize half of those parts from my build lol
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 01:35 PM
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Are you ever gunna even get it dyno'd or what? you posted this two days ago and still nothing?
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JB_97ws6TA
I am praying my PCM will be here tomorrow so I can put some miles on it and then up to the dyno on monday. What do you think it will put down with mods in sig??
monday is the day
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ohh alright, well don't let everyone get you down. and most of them are right, dyno's are tunning tools, auto's and dyno's were never ment to go together, but at the track you trap speed will really tell you what kinda power your making, and i totally agree with the post a couple up, you will embarass M6 cars at the track who dyno 20-35 maybe ever 40 horse more just because each shift they burn out, and they don't leave half as well as a stalled auto.

buddy of mine has a 2000 M6 Firehawk SLP rated 345hp stock, with bolt on's and that should put him at 345 to the wheels or somewhere near that, and i rape him at the track everytime and im on a stock slipping converter.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JB_97ws6TA
I was aiming for 350+ I know it is a smaller cam than most but I couldn't spin that short block past 6400 and I wanted a cam that would be on the downward slide around the same time. Stock heads don't stop flowing until around 6200 even with much larger cams. What do you guys think my limiting factor is?? I know factory heads are capable of more than 320 horse
stalled auto's are not dyno queens

I say 320-330

you'd be suprised what 320-330 is a stalled auto actually runs like though

my 325rwhp car ran door-to-door and pulled some bolton ls1's (from rolls), figure your average bolt-on 6 speed ls1 is good for anywhere from 320-350rwhp

this is the world of stalled auto cars, don't expect dyno numbers to be phenominal, the track is your real measurement
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 08:39 PM
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What is the RPM range of that cam you have? With those valvetrain components you have, I bet you could spin up to 6200 without any problems at all.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 09:08 PM
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the cam said 1800 to 5800 power band so i figured I would set my rev at 6300 to try to get the most out of the cam without destroying to stock bottom end.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 11:54 PM
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i make 305hp at the wheels with a stock engine and full exhaust
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by firebird6786
i make 305hp at the wheels with a stock engine and full exhaust
...and an M6.

He is a stalled auto so the numbers will not even be close to a similar FWHP M6 at the wheels.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 09:37 AM
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I'm going to guess you'll be right around 400-415hp at the motor. Through an A/T, that'll put you around 320-330 to the ground (if you can keep it on the ground)!

EDIT: Maybe if you get an LS1 driveshaft you'll gain some HP back??? It's a cheap and easy install.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 09:39 AM
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I know there is some pararsitic loss from an auto but I didn't think it was really that much. When they are on the dyno both cars are on a 1 to 1 ratio in 3rd gear in an auto, and I am not sure in an m6 so at a 1 to 1 ratio the only real big factor for a parasitic loss is the torque converter. I spent big money on the converter because they claimed 97% efficiency
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 09:44 AM
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You have a good point. Remember though, an A/T is completely different than a M/T. There are all sorts of planetary gears inside that just eat up power. Once the TC is at full lock, then 97% efficiency is definitely do-able. But most of it is in the trans.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JB_97ws6TA
I know there is some pararsitic loss from an auto but I didn't think it was really that much. When they are on the dyno both cars are on a 1 to 1 ratio in 3rd gear in an auto, and I am not sure in an m6 so at a 1 to 1 ratio the only real big factor for a parasitic loss is the torque converter. I spent big money on the converter because they claimed 97% efficiency
More gears=more friction=more drivetrain loss, and you can't change that fact. Different transmissions have different levels of loss, but assume around 20% drivetrain loss on a 700r4/4L60E with an efficient, locked convertor. My tuner said a full 25% from flywheel to dyno numbers was not uncommon on a stalled auto with an unlocked or sloppy stall...and he is a former GM engineer who has been building and tuning GM vehicles since before a lot of us were born. I trust his word without thinking twice. An M6 is around 12%.

Why are you so caught up on dyno numbers anyway? For example, does it really matter to you if it only puts down 315rwhp if it still beats M6's with 345 at the track?

You have to decide whether your priorities are ET's, dyno numbers, or just a fun street car - and make your goals based on that.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 11:34 AM
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i would say no more than 320 to the wheels.good luck and keep us posted
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