Finally have some track results for my Ai 200cc heads/cam combo
03-10-2009, 05:08 PM
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Great results! What cam are you running?
I've read nothing but positive reviews about A.I. and their combinations. I would definately go with ported castings over AFR's in the future. I've had two sets of AFR heads and the first set (195 LT4) was not that impressive. The second set (210 LT4) needed additional work to reach its full potential.
The measurements used to collect data on AFR isn't exactly realistic. For example, the 195's are measured with a 4.060 bore (not at all typical even for strokers), which should instead measured using a stock bore given the street application; and the 210's are measured using (should be 4.030-4.040) a 4.125 bore?! I've never even heard of 4.125 bore size on an LT1, but if it inflates the numbers...
I think I'll go with A.I if I do another stroker!
I've read nothing but positive reviews about A.I. and their combinations. I would definately go with ported castings over AFR's in the future. I've had two sets of AFR heads and the first set (195 LT4) was not that impressive. The second set (210 LT4) needed additional work to reach its full potential.
The measurements used to collect data on AFR isn't exactly realistic. For example, the 195's are measured with a 4.060 bore (not at all typical even for strokers), which should instead measured using a stock bore given the street application; and the 210's are measured using (should be 4.030-4.040) a 4.125 bore?! I've never even heard of 4.125 bore size on an LT1, but if it inflates the numbers...
I think I'll go with A.I if I do another stroker!
03-10-2009, 05:13 PM
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Speed demon I've run the LE cam I got from you for a good 5,000 miles now. it still pulls all the way to 6800 ( often ) and has had more than a couple built LS1 car lookin at its tail lights. If the cam was that bad, it makes me think that you are the type of person that is a POS! for selling something that destructive to another person. Maybe you didn't set it up right
03-10-2009, 07:05 PM
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Again, as usual. I have done nothing to provoke you nor have I asked any questions that would be insensitive to the topic being discussed and as usual you get defensive and tell me and others what I elect to dismiss and what I don't
Why is it so damn hard for you to have a discussion without you inflaming folks and acting a total ***.
03-10-2009, 07:11 PM
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Same a-holes saying the same old **** whats new?
I saw demons original thread way back, heads looked pretty bad and that cam was terrible heard of a few people having issues with that particular grind. I'm running a 224/230 107lsa from LE with less lift than the over '600 that had issues. That was the only cam I believe that people ever had issues with and LE no longer carries it, BTW it was made by Bret Bauer, Lloyd does his own cams now. My LE2's looked immaculate and my cam is wonderful highly doubt Ai could offer me more. If you comapred my heads side to side with some Ai 200cc's I highly doubt you could barely tell a difference but unfortunately to the OP that wasn't the case. Wouldn't ever go to Ai personally since the certain few people on here make me not want to ever give them my business. LE has been awesome to work with before and after the sale and his package works great for me so why would I go somewheres else anyways? Ai makes some good **** as we all know just annoying to see the same people swinging on their nuts day in and day out. Can't go wrong with either company just comes down to preference, sick of seeing people going Ai vs. LE, they both have their pros and cons and have pushed LT1's to new limits so can't hate.
To the OP shame you had a bad experience with LE. Only person I've seen with one but good to see your Ai setup is much better for you.
I saw demons original thread way back, heads looked pretty bad and that cam was terrible heard of a few people having issues with that particular grind. I'm running a 224/230 107lsa from LE with less lift than the over '600 that had issues. That was the only cam I believe that people ever had issues with and LE no longer carries it, BTW it was made by Bret Bauer, Lloyd does his own cams now. My LE2's looked immaculate and my cam is wonderful highly doubt Ai could offer me more. If you comapred my heads side to side with some Ai 200cc's I highly doubt you could barely tell a difference but unfortunately to the OP that wasn't the case. Wouldn't ever go to Ai personally since the certain few people on here make me not want to ever give them my business. LE has been awesome to work with before and after the sale and his package works great for me so why would I go somewheres else anyways? Ai makes some good **** as we all know just annoying to see the same people swinging on their nuts day in and day out. Can't go wrong with either company just comes down to preference, sick of seeing people going Ai vs. LE, they both have their pros and cons and have pushed LT1's to new limits so can't hate.
To the OP shame you had a bad experience with LE. Only person I've seen with one but good to see your Ai setup is much better for you.
03-10-2009, 07:11 PM
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Dyno sheet means dick WRT to long things are lasting. It does not take a rocket scientist to determine that determine that the bigger AI cam car will make more power than the smaller LE cam car. The dyno sheets would be comparing apples and oranges and would therefore not be a fair comparison. Hardly definitive.
Again, as usual. I have done nothing to provoke you nor have I asked any questions that would be insensitive to the topic being discussed and as usual you get defensive and tell me and others what I elect to dismiss and what I don't
Why is it so damn hard for you to have a discussion without you inflaming folks and acting a total ***.
Again, as usual. I have done nothing to provoke you nor have I asked any questions that would be insensitive to the topic being discussed and as usual you get defensive and tell me and others what I elect to dismiss and what I don't
Why is it so damn hard for you to have a discussion without you inflaming folks and acting a total ***.
03-10-2009, 07:14 PM
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I don't understand what the problem is with longevity of a performance cam, the more acceleration in a cam's lobe the more wear that there will be present ie springs, pushrods, retainers, lobes. I mean the more rpm's you turn just bring you closer to the big boom that will eventually happen
03-10-2009, 07:17 PM
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Speaking solely in statistics, compared to his old LE package, the new AI setup is performing better. Why is that so hard to believe?
Sorry for calling it like it is. Results don't lie.
And I find it amusing for folks to bash either one. Both companies are providing services to the LT1 crowd that didn't exist 5 years ago. Both provide comparable gains at comparable price tags, and have comparable customer service. Sure, there's going to be all kinds of competition between the two, but everyone forgets the similarities.
I, personally, am going with AI.
Sorry for calling it like it is. Results don't lie.
And I find it amusing for folks to bash either one. Both companies are providing services to the LT1 crowd that didn't exist 5 years ago. Both provide comparable gains at comparable price tags, and have comparable customer service. Sure, there's going to be all kinds of competition between the two, but everyone forgets the similarities.
I, personally, am going with AI.
03-10-2009, 07:18 PM
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Because caprice is a internet LTX genius. He knows more than god himself and wont be told otherwise.
I myself do not bash AI or try to make them seem inferior to any other other company out there, but his AI leg humping *** sure does about other companies.
Hey Im damn proud of my car and dont think it should be bashed for the route Ive taken, and I would never do that to someone else!
I myself do not bash AI or try to make them seem inferior to any other other company out there, but his AI leg humping *** sure does about other companies.
Hey Im damn proud of my car and dont think it should be bashed for the route Ive taken, and I would never do that to someone else!
03-10-2009, 07:22 PM
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Speaking solely in statistics, compared to his old LE package, the new AI setup is performing better. Why is that so hard to believe?
Sorry for calling it like it is. Results don't lie.
And I find it amusing for folks to bash either one. Both companies are providing services to the LT1 crowd that didn't exist 5 years ago. Both provide comparable gains at comparable price tags, and have comparable customer service. Sure, there's going to be all kinds of competition between the two, but everyone forgets the similarities.
I, personally, am going with AI.
Sorry for calling it like it is. Results don't lie.
And I find it amusing for folks to bash either one. Both companies are providing services to the LT1 crowd that didn't exist 5 years ago. Both provide comparable gains at comparable price tags, and have comparable customer service. Sure, there's going to be all kinds of competition between the two, but everyone forgets the similarities.
I, personally, am going with AI.
03-10-2009, 07:23 PM
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Speaking solely in statistics, compared to his old LE package, the new AI setup is performing better. Why is that so hard to believe?
Sorry for calling it like it is. Results don't lie.
And I find it amusing for folks to bash either one. Both companies are providing services to the LT1 crowd that didn't exist 5 years ago. Both provide comparable gains at comparable price tags, and have comparable customer service. Sure, there's going to be all kinds of competition between the two, but everyone forgets the similarities.
I, personally, am going with AI.
Sorry for calling it like it is. Results don't lie.
And I find it amusing for folks to bash either one. Both companies are providing services to the LT1 crowd that didn't exist 5 years ago. Both provide comparable gains at comparable price tags, and have comparable customer service. Sure, there's going to be all kinds of competition between the two, but everyone forgets the similarities.
I, personally, am going with AI.
03-10-2009, 07:27 PM
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Same a-holes saying the same old **** whats new?
I saw demons original thread way back, heads looked pretty bad and that cam was terrible heard of a few people having issues with that particular grind. I'm running a 224/230 107lsa from LE with less lift than the over '600 that had issues. That was the only cam I believe that people ever had issues with and LE no longer carries it, BTW it was made by Bret Bauer, Lloyd does his own cams now. My LE2's looked immaculate and my cam is wonderful highly doubt Ai could offer me more. If you comapred my heads side to side with some Ai 200cc's I highly doubt you could barely tell a difference but unfortunately to the OP that wasn't the case. Wouldn't ever go to Ai personally since the certain few people on here make me not want to ever give them my business. LE has been awesome to work with before and after the sale and his package works great for me so why would I go somewheres else anyways? Ai makes some good **** as we all know just annoying to see the same people swinging on their nuts day in and day out. Can't go wrong with either company just comes down to preference, sick of seeing people going Ai vs. LE, they both have their pros and cons and have pushed LT1's to new limits so can't hate.
To the OP shame you had a bad experience with LE. Only person I've seen with one but good to see your Ai setup is much better for you.
I saw demons original thread way back, heads looked pretty bad and that cam was terrible heard of a few people having issues with that particular grind. I'm running a 224/230 107lsa from LE with less lift than the over '600 that had issues. That was the only cam I believe that people ever had issues with and LE no longer carries it, BTW it was made by Bret Bauer, Lloyd does his own cams now. My LE2's looked immaculate and my cam is wonderful highly doubt Ai could offer me more. If you comapred my heads side to side with some Ai 200cc's I highly doubt you could barely tell a difference but unfortunately to the OP that wasn't the case. Wouldn't ever go to Ai personally since the certain few people on here make me not want to ever give them my business. LE has been awesome to work with before and after the sale and his package works great for me so why would I go somewheres else anyways? Ai makes some good **** as we all know just annoying to see the same people swinging on their nuts day in and day out. Can't go wrong with either company just comes down to preference, sick of seeing people going Ai vs. LE, they both have their pros and cons and have pushed LT1's to new limits so can't hate.
To the OP shame you had a bad experience with LE. Only person I've seen with one but good to see your Ai setup is much better for you.
