Talk me into a cam
TECH Fanatic
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,230
Likes: 0
From: Lexington,MO
I've been racing for 20 years and always stayed n/a...I like the challenge of making a combo run well without a power adder. Imho nitrous done correctly requires an upgraded fuel system, a spot on tune, filling the damn thing, remembering to turn it on, keeping bottle pressure up/down depending on the weather, and then the worry of a malfunction either at the track or on the street, which is going to happen sometime in a nitrous motors life...accidents just happen, whether operator or mechanical/electrical...Nitrous is also illegal on the street and if you get caught with it it can result in a nice fine...
My n/a motor has been together since 1995 without any motor failures...Now I have more than just a cam, but you know you'll need more than just a cam to go fast anyway...It takes all the supporting mods working together to go fast reliably...
I know that all I have to do is go turn the key and drive anywhere without worrying about microswitches, bottle pressures, is my tune good, am I sure I'm not too lean, did I fill the bottle? I'm very much detail oriented dont get me wrong, I have enough stuff in my daily life to worry about...
If you're still not sure what direction to go in you can always have a cam custom ground that would be a good middle of the road cam that would work well for both n/a and nitrous...I love little duration cams with larger lifts as they work great on the street and at the track...Id never buy a cam for the sound because most folks aren't going to hear it anyway as I'm sucking their doors off on the way by...I always get a laugh about buying a cam for the lope...Its all about trying to walk the line between performance and drivability...I think I've got it figured out n/a style...
--Alan
My n/a motor has been together since 1995 without any motor failures...Now I have more than just a cam, but you know you'll need more than just a cam to go fast anyway...It takes all the supporting mods working together to go fast reliably...
I know that all I have to do is go turn the key and drive anywhere without worrying about microswitches, bottle pressures, is my tune good, am I sure I'm not too lean, did I fill the bottle? I'm very much detail oriented dont get me wrong, I have enough stuff in my daily life to worry about...
If you're still not sure what direction to go in you can always have a cam custom ground that would be a good middle of the road cam that would work well for both n/a and nitrous...I love little duration cams with larger lifts as they work great on the street and at the track...Id never buy a cam for the sound because most folks aren't going to hear it anyway as I'm sucking their doors off on the way by...I always get a laugh about buying a cam for the lope...Its all about trying to walk the line between performance and drivability...I think I've got it figured out n/a style...
--Alan
Well since you stated that you want to go turbo down the road and build a motor for it, I would stick with a 100 shot to suffice your power needs for now. No sense in modding your stock engine with parts that won't be used in the future, seems like it would be a waste. The nitrous could still be used on the turbo setup too. Now I know that my opinion has shifted from three pages back, but in your early posts you mentioned nothing about goin turbo and building a motor. Seems like this thread is all over the place lol, but I hope this helps.
Learn to read. I'm so sorry that you couldn't comprehend the simple things I said in the first post.
If you could, this thread would have been over along time ago. But you seem to be very unintelligent and incapable of reading and understanding.
I think I'm going to just start quoting myself instead of typing new things to respond to the likes of you cause I'm sick of repeating myself. It's a very simple concept and this post shows that you STILL don't understand even the THREAD TITLE!
Last edited by LSWHO; Feb 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM.
Well since you stated that you want to go turbo down the road and build a motor for it, I would stick with a 100 shot to suffice your power needs for now. No sense in modding your stock engine with parts that won't be used in the future, seems like it would be a waste. The nitrous could still be used on the turbo setup too. Now I know that my opinion has shifted from three pages back, but in your early posts you mentioned nothing about goin turbo and building a motor. Seems like this thread is all over the place lol, but I hope this helps.
I agree on there being no reason to mod a motor that will eventually be forgotten, but I still want a cam and the turbo isn't going in anytime soon.
Thanks
LS1 Tech Stories
The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine
Verdad Gallardo
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built
Verdad Gallardo
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin
Verdad Gallardo
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them
Pouria Savadkouei
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked
Pouria Savadkouei
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP
Verdad Gallardo
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes
Verdad Gallardo
so then do a cam. or dont touch your engine until you build a turbo oriented engine to specs. IMO and along with the opinions of many others on this forum. nitrous is alot to deal with. theirs alot to go wrong with alot of things. sure, if you have a stock bottom end and you push it past 6700 rpm all the time you could burn up a bearing and need a new short block. but if you run nitrous and run abit lean you could say goodbye to the block all together. but then you could just get a fully forged bottom end so youll be ready for your turbo. in the end its your decision. all we can do as responders is try to provoke you one way or the other. mine is to just do a cam and be happy with the constant power throughout the RPM, thats always there. rather then a quick adrenaline shot.
No, I've driven a couple LSx vettes, some Ls1s, an Ls6, my bike (which I can't even go WOT)
And yes, I know how fast a cam will make me. The laws around here are EXTREMELY strict about "racing."
You are street racing if they think you are wot basically, even if you are all alone.
If they convict you of that, your car will be destroyed, and you will go to jail, and lose your license for a WHILE when you get out.
So is it really worth it?
Plus, this is my DD.
And yes, I know how fast a cam will make me. The laws around here are EXTREMELY strict about "racing."
You are street racing if they think you are wot basically, even if you are all alone.
If they convict you of that, your car will be destroyed, and you will go to jail, and lose your license for a WHILE when you get out.
So is it really worth it?
Plus, this is my DD.
a stock cam car vs a cammed car is still gonna look like its breaking the law if you floor it
Last edited by myltwon; Feb 5, 2009 at 10:09 PM.
You may not have been "trying" to be rude, but I think most everyone would agree that you came off as a dick. If that was not your intention than I would work on how you respond to people that are trying to help you and word your posts better so people know how to respond/help you. The reason things were repetitive is because they are true. I felt like you wanted us to create or discover some amazing aspect that a cam would offer you to make you want one this instant...I feel that almost every single positive aspect of both modifications was mentioned and isn't that how you "talk someone into something"!?!?
You confused me by saying money was not an issue, but then talkedd about buying used parts. There are some very strict racing laws in some places and I would bet most every cop thinks that nitrous means "street racer" (thank you Fast and Furious) and if a cop saw you purge or just new from word of mouth that you had nitrous, he would definitely keep an eye on you, but if you had a cam and you were just loud and not being excessively crazy the cop would probably think you just deleted your muffler(if they are not car savvy) and the worst you would get is a noise infraction. As someone else said, just don't break the law. + Where can you really use a 150 shot of N20 without breaking the speed limit in mere seconds? The great thing about a cam is that you can put the pedal to the metal and then let off and do it again and again, all without going over the speed limit if you don't want to. I guarantee you are one of the very few people on this forum that wants power that they don't plan to see the full potential of or at least not very often. If you need a better sales pitch than what was mentioned here....Frankly. we would have to lie to you. Good luck.
You confused me by saying money was not an issue, but then talkedd about buying used parts. There are some very strict racing laws in some places and I would bet most every cop thinks that nitrous means "street racer" (thank you Fast and Furious) and if a cop saw you purge or just new from word of mouth that you had nitrous, he would definitely keep an eye on you, but if you had a cam and you were just loud and not being excessively crazy the cop would probably think you just deleted your muffler(if they are not car savvy) and the worst you would get is a noise infraction. As someone else said, just don't break the law. + Where can you really use a 150 shot of N20 without breaking the speed limit in mere seconds? The great thing about a cam is that you can put the pedal to the metal and then let off and do it again and again, all without going over the speed limit if you don't want to. I guarantee you are one of the very few people on this forum that wants power that they don't plan to see the full potential of or at least not very often. If you need a better sales pitch than what was mentioned here....Frankly. we would have to lie to you. Good luck.
You may not have been "trying" to be rude, but I think most everyone would agree that you came off as a dick. If that was not your intention than I would work on how you respond to people that are trying to help you and word your posts better so people know how to respond/help you. The reason things were repetitive is because they are true. I felt like you wanted us to create or discover some amazing aspect that a cam would offer you to make you want one this instant...I feel that almost every single positive aspect of both modifications was mentioned and isn't that how you "talk someone into something"!?!?
You confused me by saying money was not an issue, but then talkedd about buying used parts. There are some very strict racing laws in some places and I would bet most every cop thinks that nitrous means "street racer" (thank you Fast and Furious) and if a cop saw you purge or just new from word of mouth that you had nitrous, he would definitely keep an eye on you, but if you had a cam and you were just loud and not being excessively crazy the cop would probably think you just deleted your muffler(if they are not car savvy) and the worst you would get is a noise infraction. As someone else said, just don't break the law. + Where can you really use a 150 shot of N20 without breaking the speed limit in mere seconds? The great thing about a cam is that you can put the pedal to the metal and then let off and do it again and again, all without going over the speed limit if you don't want to. I guarantee you are one of the very few people on this forum that wants power that they don't plan to see the full potential of or at least not very often. If you need a better sales pitch than what was mentioned here....Frankly. we would have to lie to you. Good luck.
You confused me by saying money was not an issue, but then talkedd about buying used parts. There are some very strict racing laws in some places and I would bet most every cop thinks that nitrous means "street racer" (thank you Fast and Furious) and if a cop saw you purge or just new from word of mouth that you had nitrous, he would definitely keep an eye on you, but if you had a cam and you were just loud and not being excessively crazy the cop would probably think you just deleted your muffler(if they are not car savvy) and the worst you would get is a noise infraction. As someone else said, just don't break the law. + Where can you really use a 150 shot of N20 without breaking the speed limit in mere seconds? The great thing about a cam is that you can put the pedal to the metal and then let off and do it again and again, all without going over the speed limit if you don't want to. I guarantee you are one of the very few people on this forum that wants power that they don't plan to see the full potential of or at least not very often. If you need a better sales pitch than what was mentioned here....Frankly. we would have to lie to you. Good luck.
I don't know what that smiley means, but it looks fun.
On The Tree
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 153
Likes: 1
Cam it for sure, that way you will have a powerful, fast LT1. Not a stockish LT1 that makes good power/ETs "on the bottle".
Put a decent cam in it, tune it, then just start adding all the bolt ons one by one to track the gains. I spent a long time buying bolt ons that I didn't need just to cover those bases for later as well.
OR, put a big, badass cam in it, get some suspension mods, lose some weight, and see how fast you can go cam only.
BTW-some of the info on these boards will have you believe that driveability is gonna be an issue if you get a semi hardcore cam. A good tune will cure alot of driveability issues. My car was incapable of rolling through a grocery store parking lot with the mailorder tune, surged like a **** at low speeds and didn't clear up until around 2200rpm. A good dyno tune later, the surge is gone, it idles great, and makes more power.
Put a decent cam in it, tune it, then just start adding all the bolt ons one by one to track the gains. I spent a long time buying bolt ons that I didn't need just to cover those bases for later as well.
OR, put a big, badass cam in it, get some suspension mods, lose some weight, and see how fast you can go cam only.
BTW-some of the info on these boards will have you believe that driveability is gonna be an issue if you get a semi hardcore cam. A good tune will cure alot of driveability issues. My car was incapable of rolling through a grocery store parking lot with the mailorder tune, surged like a **** at low speeds and didn't clear up until around 2200rpm. A good dyno tune later, the surge is gone, it idles great, and makes more power.