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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 11:26 AM
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bbk shorty headers or pacesetter long tubes is there a difference in power or faster track times. whats better to have
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 11:32 AM
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any long tube will provide more low end torque...if emissions allows...always go long tubes
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 11:39 AM
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 11:43 AM
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Long tubes, I used the BBK shorties on my last project, and was annoyed by having the huge factory style flanges.
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by whammer33024
any long tube will provide more low end torque...if emissions allows...always go long tubes
longtubes move the powerband up
shorties and mids keep the low end tq

overall power will be found in longtubes or mac-mids
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 11:48 AM
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bbk shorties are expensive, the ball flanges suck, and suck for doing plug changes

pacesetter lt's are cheaper, easy as hell (compared to stock or shorties) to do plugs, and provide more power and room for growth
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Originally Posted by RED PUNISHER Z
bbk shorty headers or pacesetter long tubes is there a difference in power or faster track times. whats better to have
If you're intention is power and track times, then you're going to want to go LTs. Either way you wouldn't want to go Shorties unless they were dirt dirt cheap or free

LTs will allow your engine to breathe on the exhaust side, which you need to compliment on the intake side as well with a good CAI, and that helps in the higher RPMS. Which is why they improve HP so nicely. Mac mids are also a really good choice if your car is dropped quite a bit and you have clearance issues where LTs would constantly scrape.

Keep in mind you'll need a new Y Pipe and O2 extenders. And unless you plan to solder and heatshrink the O2s to lengthen them yourself, you'll need to get the extenders. Otherwise if you try to use crimping butt connectors, you can (darn good possibility) change the signal the PCM receives.



Originally Posted by 96lt1m6
longtubes move the powerband up
shorties and mids keep the low end tq

overall power will be found in longtubes or mac-mids
Beat me
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 11:51 AM
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Long tube headers.
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x2 long tubes
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LT's FTMFW yo!
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 02:40 PM
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x3 LTs
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.. Iv always preferred !!Shorties!! to Longtubes on a !!stock-to-bolt on car!! Simple because its cleaner sounding and they just pour torque through 100mph like longtubes Never could! +1 for LT's though!.. your just not going to feel any real power diffrence with the LT's until 80mph+ Spend the money right once and get hooker's lt's

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long tubes my brotha
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FAcToRyFReaKeD
.. Iv always preferred !!Shorties!! to Longtubes on a !!stock-to-bolt on car!! Simple because its cleaner sounding and they just pour torque through 100mph like longtubes Never could! +1 for LT's though!.. your just not going to feel any real power diffrence with the LT's until 80mph+ Spend the money right once and get hooker's lt's
Actually you won't feel the power of LT's until 140+ J/K
You might want to brush up on your knowledge on headers before you give feedback.

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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Elliott's94Z
Actually you won't feel the power of LT's until 140+
You might want to brush up on your knowledge on headers before you give feedback.
Actually I know more about this then you do. If you dont like it do your sulking somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by FAcToRyFReaKeD
Actually I know more about this then you do. If you dont like it do your sulking somewhere else.
Yeah anyways...give your **** feedback elsewhere noob
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Suck on it if you dont like it.
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I would love too
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FAcToRyFReaKeD
.. Iv always preferred !!Shorties!! to Longtubes on a !!stock-to-bolt on car!! Simple because its cleaner sounding and they just pour torque through 100mph like longtubes Never could! +1 for LT's though!.. your just not going to feel any real power diffrence with the LT's until 80mph+ Spend the money right once and get hooker's lt's
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To both of you guys...what does vehicle speed have anything to do with the performance of a specific header design?
You guys mentioned power band shifting, and then started throw mph numbers out there.
RPM's matter, not speed...

RPM, equal length, stepped, scavenging, reversion, flow velocity...all those play a role, not vehicle speed.
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