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Old 04-09-2009, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by z_speedfreak
your also gonna need more than that to beat an 04/04 cobra, unless the driver is a total tard..
Yep, stock the Cobra has about 100 horse advantage, and the Cobras love bolt ons


even with heads and cam you will need full supporting mods

However a big shot a nitrous could be your friend or better yet heads/cam supporting mods and a big shot.



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Old 04-09-2009, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by aboatguy
Yep, stock the Cobra has about 100 horse advantage, and the Cobras love bolt ons


even with heads and cam you will need full supporting mods

However a big shot a nitrous could be your friend or better yet heads/cam supporting mods and a big shot.



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I'll ask again...is it or is it not a high 12 second car???

A cam-only, full bolt-on LT1 that can hook can do the same times, if not better.
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Listen to what everyone is telling you. Do your research before purchasing a cam of that size. Start with the basics..cai, headers,catback..then move on to the cam ! Also check the stickys...there tons of info there !
Old 04-09-2009, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
I'll ask again...is it or is it not a high 12 second car???

A cam-only, full bolt-on LT1 that can hook can do the same times, if not better.
high 12 sound right..i know some one with a cobra w/bolt ons ran a 12.5
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I ran a 10.48(1000ft) cam only last week.. that prolly a mid 12 and Im goin back this saturday to go for a few tenths lower... Im sure Ill get next to the cobra on the way to the track.. Ill settle all of this debat and I will proudly raise my hand if I get my *** handed to me! But I will say this, I ran this same cobra WITHOUT my tune on hwy and he put about 1 car on me.. Im sure my tune will make that up.. like I said, He has an Xpipe, magnaflow axle back, CAI, and Diablo tuner(and driver mod, lol)...
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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
I'll ask again...is it or is it not a high 12 second car???

A cam-only, full bolt-on LT1 that can hook can do the same times, if not better.
This answer to your question is yes, a stock 03/04 cobra is a high 12 second car.
Stock LT1 Y/F or B-body is not a 12 second car.
He's messing with a bolt on Cobra, what mods does the Cobra have? Can this Cobra hook?


I agree if the cobra owner can't hook a lower powered car that dead hooks can win
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No one keeps an 03/04 stock.

So basically, by default, they've got ~200hp advantage without even getting their hands dirty. Intake, exhaust, pulley, and tune.

You're bringing a knife to a gun fight, bud.
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Originally Posted by Mattybz28
No one keeps an 03/04 stock.

So basically, by default, they've got ~200hp advantage without even getting their hands dirty. Intake, exhaust, pulley, and tune.

You're bringing a knife to a gun fight, bud.
Thanks you are helping me make my point, 03/04 can make huge bolt on gains
where as cam only, no bolt on LT1 (not so much)
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thats why god invented spray. power adder to power adder. i vote on a lt1.
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Cobras are dyno queens, I watched my buddy's 92 camaro 1le m5 w/ 125 shot run right next to a 440whp 03 cobra up to 90. Yes the cobra was going to pull him after 90, but not bad for a tpi car on a little spray. Point is, the op should do Lt's, cai, and a 100shot before the cam imo. The cobra wont stand a chance. Also I have never seen any stock cobra run 12's, low 13's(traction limited) and they typically dyno 360whp.
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Originally Posted by Mattybz28
No one keeps an 03/04 stock.

So basically, by default, they've got ~200hp advantage without even getting their hands dirty. Intake, exhaust, pulley, and tune.

You're bringing a knife to a gun fight, bud.
Really? So all the Cobra's I've beaten have been modded? Nice.......

Originally Posted by TravisMcGill2000
thats why god invented spray. power adder to power adder. i vote on a lt1.
Me too.

Originally Posted by kinglt-1
Cobras are dyno queens, I watched my buddy's 92 camaro 1le m5 w/ 125 shot run right next to a 440whp 03 cobra up to 90. Yes the cobra was going to pull him after 90, but not bad for a tpi car on a little spray. Point is, the op should do Lt's, cai, and a 100shot before the cam imo. The cobra wont stand a chance. Also I have never seen any stock cobra run 12's, low 13's(traction limited) and they typically dyno 360whp.
True.
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Ive seen 600hp Cobra's run 14's, it's not all about power. If he got smoked by a F250, diesel I'm assuming, he cant be too fast. Although it depends if it was a 1/4 mile race or 150ft race, he might just be crappy out of the whole like many of them.

PS You're going to need to upgrade alot of stuff to work with a bigger camshaft.

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I'd have no problem running a stock 03/04 Cobra, would probably easily beat one...but how many are stock Just a pulley and he's going rape any cammed LT1 haha
Old 04-12-2009, 08:55 AM
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Cobras are beast but Lt1's are too. A buddy of mine owns a Cobra and he brags about how fast it is everyday. I ve seen a couple lt1's beat a Cobra on youtube. Im pretty sure they have atleast bolt ons though. Lt1's do stand a chance!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Bersaglieri
Ive seen 600hp Cobra's run 14's
I think when "bench" (lack of a better word, sorry) racing we assume that its "close" to a perfect world. A 600hp cobra running 14's is just sad and only the worst drivers could do that.
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The most ironic thing, is i literally watched a C6 Z06 with a procharger on it run a 14.145 at Zmax when i was running, i couldn't believe it. Although his bald *** factory tires didnt help...but still haha
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id rather just get a custom grind cam... from what ive heard thats the best way to go for a stock car. also, bolt ons are a must!
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I'm with everyone else on boltons first. My long tubes and tune made a HUGE difference in my car. Its ridiculous. I own my friends 2000 TA with a lid and 6 speed. Did run a cobra once but I was stock and it was like I was standing still. Those cars are beasts.
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Originally Posted by 305 h.o.
I decided to just put a cam in the car so Im buying the cc306 cam today from summit. What hp gains should I see and also can I run stock valve springs with this cam? Some *** in a bolt on 04 cobra keeps talking junk and I saw him get owned by an F250 last week.
So what does that mean? Use you head, traction problems or a bad driver doesnt mean the cars slow.
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Originally Posted by bombebomb
I think when "bench" (lack of a better word, sorry) racing we assume that its "close" to a perfect world. A 600hp cobra running 14's is just sad and only the worst drivers could do that.
I see them do it at the track all the time. Many Cobra guys forget that they need more than pulley's and a tune to run good times. That night my bolt on camaro was beating a few 500-600hp Cobra's. Some beat me, but it was satisfying knowing power isnt everything in a race. They were spinning all over, getting out it, then back in only to spin some more. My buddies cam only LT1 was running 12.3's but it was tuned in for the track. The cobra guys were talking crap to him all week only to get mopped up.

All I'm saying is there are alot of folks just doing ricer math for HP vs HP here. "Cobra has a 100hp advantage" etc, doesnt cut it in the real world of racing. I am by not means a bench racer, I'm just stating facts from a track in Ohio. You should know it, Dragway 42. Also sounds like alot of people are talking about street racing too, all I can say about that is dont race him from a roll...oh and get a jug on that car too, the CC306 likes the juice.

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