LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

Anybody considered the gen II K&N FIPK for LS1's as a conversion alternative?

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Old 05-13-2009, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackLT1Z
This kit also comes with a very low upper radiator cover. It gives way more space to the top side. You should be able to squeeze it in under a stock hood.
That's kinda what I was hoping for, I really don't want to go hackn on my radiator support if I can help it. I could prolly sell my GMPP CAI to my dad to recover some of the cash, she is a lil on the pricey side but if it;s better than the lid conversion I'd be happy!
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Originally Posted by 94Z28-MSTGKLR
So even if it did fit under the hood it really wouldn't be able to draw in fresh cool air without some sort of opening in the hood. Doesn't the ls1 cars have some sort of sheet metal piece that deflects the air up into those lids and those open filter type cai like pictured? I may be wrong but having the filter crammed under the hood there with no air souce seems silly to me! If it does work, sign me up! I'm in need of a good cai for mine.
There's benefit to be had with the straight tubing.

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I have been wondering this also, but it looks to me like the bottom of the filter would draw in cold air, while the top draws in hot engine air
It's in fron't of the engine so even though it's tight against the hood, it prolly won't pick up too much heat.


If it fits under a stock hood easier, and comes with a new radiator support that also fits, it might be worth it
I wonder if it'll work under my 2" VFN cowl? Colin, how close was it to a stock hood, maybe it'll work for me?
Old 05-13-2009, 12:08 PM
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One of these filters has to be perfect for mounting face down in front of the condenser.
http://www.knfilters.com/search/UnivOvalTap.aspx

Now if I could figure out how to make a tube like Colin91Z
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Originally Posted by Vicious95Z28
There's benefit to be had with the straight tubing.



I wonder if it'll work under my 2" VFN cowl? Colin, how close was it to a stock hood, maybe it'll work for me?
It was about an inch from being able to latch. It was the part of the hood that drops down for the latch to mount to that was keeping it from closing. If your VFN hood has more clearance in that area, then it should work.
Originally Posted by littlebird
One of these filters has to be perfect for mounting face down in front of the condenser.
http://www.knfilters.com/search/UnivOvalTap.aspx

Now if I could figure out how to make a tube like Colin91Z
Good luck doing a set-up like mine if you want to retain your AC. It's tight enough on mine with no condensor and my radiator laid back about 1" further than stock. There's simply no room for a 3.5 tube plus the condensor. The top of the rad has to be cut and clearanced for the tube as it is. Also, you'll have to cut the "V" brace in fron of the radiator out.

I used a K&N RC5040 at first, but currently I'm working on a dual filter set-up for it. I can't finish it until the motor is back in my car though, Which should be early next week. The tube is a 3.5" 60* bend with a 1D radius.

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So what exactly all does this lid kit come with and where can I get one?
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Can you not just buy the ls1 lid package and use a radiator support from an ls1 car. I would think it would fit just fine. You may have to cut a notch in the hood but that would still be an easy task to do I would think. Maybe there's just something I'm missing.
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Originally Posted by 94Z28-MSTGKLR
Can you not just buy the ls1 lid package and use a radiator support from an ls1 car. I would think it would fit just fine. You may have to cut a notch in the hood but that would still be an easy task to do I would think. Maybe there's just something I'm missing.
AFAIK, it doesn't fit under the hood.
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^Cool. Didn't know. Thats why I asked. I guess it would be a whole lot simpler to make a scoope for the plastic shield on the bottom and just run a cai made for the LT1.
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Originally Posted by 94Z28-MSTGKLR
^Cool. Didn't know. Thats why I asked. I guess it would be a whole lot simpler to make a scoope for the plastic shield on the bottom and just run a cai made for the LT1.
I've seen people put just the lid and filter under the hood, just don't think the air box that bolt's to the rad support fits. Hopefully someone else can chime in.
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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
I've seen people put just the lid and filter under the hood, just don't think the air box that bolt's to the rad support fits. Hopefully someone else can chime in.
Does this thing really help that much? If it was a pretty simple swap I could see it being worth while but having to buy a whole bunch of stuff and chopping up your car just doesn't seem worth it.
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Originally Posted by 94Z28-MSTGKLR
Does this thing really help that much? If it was a pretty simple swap I could see it being worth while but having to buy a whole bunch of stuff and chopping up your car just doesn't seem worth it.
I've heard of a couple tenths and a couple mph over a CAI, but that's only what I've heard.
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^That I find hard to believe. I could see picking up 2-4 horse power at the crank shaft compared to an LT1 cai just for the lack of tubing causing turbulance but not enough to shave off tenths in the quarter mile. But hey, it might be! Has anyone on here swapped from a cai to a lid with results other than what they think it did. A lot of people do stuff to their cars and think it helps because of claims when it actually did nothing at all.
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Originally Posted by 94Z28-MSTGKLR
^That I find hard to believe. I could see picking up 2-4 horse power at the crank shaft compared to an LT1 cai just for the lack of tubing causing turbulance but not enough to shave off tenths in the quarter mile. But hey, it might be! Has anyone on here swapped from a cai to a lid with results other than what they think it did. A lot of people do stuff to their cars and think it helps because of claims when it actually did nothing at all.
There was a thread on documenting just that. A thread titled something like "If you're wondering if the LS1 lid helps, It does!"
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^Very interesting! I think I will stick to a cai for the LT1 car. Just makes things easy.
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you guys got me thinkin up all kinds of new cai's i wish i could make
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I still have my stock hood, I'll take some measurements to see if I can make it work. It seems to me that if guys can get the LS1 lid to work, minus the factory radiator cover this should work too. I'd rather trim/refiberglass the hood if necessary than hack the support. Then again, my GMPP CAI sure is purty! We'll see.

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Originally Posted by itSSlowZ28
you guys got me thinkin up all kinds of new cai's i wish i could make
I just ordered some silicone rubber hoses and fittings. seems like it is the easiest way to make your own.
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If you are stock cubes I would look elsewhere for more power. LT1 CAIs already flow way more then enough for a 350/355ci that is limited rpm wise by the LT1 computer.

I pulled the elbow off my TB during back to back dyno runs and gained less then 2rwhp with an open TB over the K&N CAI with filter. I think the actual number was 1.3hp, on a head/cam car through a 3200 stalled auto spinning to 6300rpms. Runs were literally within 2 minutes of each other-car never came off the rollers or cooled down.

Now, a 383/396 stroker spinning to 6800 rpm may very well see a benefit! Just don't go spending a few hundred bucks for literally one hp on your baby cam'd 355 rebuild.
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Originally Posted by Puck
If you are stock cubes I would look elsewhere for more power. LT1 CAIs already flow way more then enough for a 350/355ci that is limited rpm wise by the LT1 computer.

I pulled the elbow off my TB during back to back dyno runs and gained less then 2rwhp with an open TB over the K&N CAI with filter. I think the actual number was 1.3hp, on a head/cam car through a 3200 stalled auto spinning to 6300rpms. Runs were literally within 2 minutes of each other-car never came off the rollers or cooled down.

Now, a 383/396 stroker spinning to 6800 rpm may very well see a benefit! Just don't go spending a few hundred bucks for literally one hp on your baby cam'd 355 rebuild.
Yeah ,I feel ya. I plan on an eventual 383 so that's part of the reason I want it. I'm already spinning to close to 6800 now, even with my mid level off the shelf cam. I still think there is something to be gained that a dyno can't show.
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Thinking of doing this, but hesitant because of EWP clearance to fan shroud. Does anybody know if you can clear a Mezier HD model when leaning back radiator for this?



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