AI or LE
In this e-mail you have the newest on top, the 19th at 7:14, the reply below that is the 18th at 10:24 and the one below that is the 18th at 10:39. If the newest is always on top then the bottom two are in the wrong order. That and the fact you replied to an e-mail that you hadn't received yet looks out of place to me.
You seem to be the only one who doesn't get it. The only one who is generating such idiotic questioning when it has all been layed out for even the most simple minded to understand, and now trying to discredit SD's e-mails. I mean the e-mails have been provided over and over again, but only now you start to question them? I'm very surprised you have yet to say the info provided was fabricated. 
Keep searching for that magic milk dud in a bag of dog ****.
Keep searching for that magic milk dud in a bag of dog ****.
Why do you always try and bash Lloyd's work? Is this some sort of cosmic payback for Bret making you look like a fool over and over again on here and CamaroZ28? Is it easier to pass on your lame *** theories when there is no one to fight back and call you out on all your BS? Are you going to go crying to the mods again?
You mean you're surprised I'm not a douchebag troll like you?
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I like AI stuff. I've ran their heads/cam or just heads on 2 seperate cars of my own, a '96 Z28 and my '04 GTO. I had great results with both cars. You know, the kind of results that keep people scratching their heads for months. Several of my friends in my area have also run AI stuff and are all very pleased with the results on the dyno, street and the track. AI's stuff is a few steps above the LE stuff, there's no way to argue around that. The results AI puts out day in day out are consistantly above the LE cars. There may be a fluke car here or that that runs slow with AI heads, just as there's a couple fluke LE cars that actaully run well. But thats it.
All the info on those bad heads is scewed, because the most important facts were leftout and the dude used the wrong pushrods destroying his motor. I dont see how thats LEs fault, LE sure as **** told me I needed to measure for correct length, and sent me great emails explaining on how to measure the correct way. So I call BS again. He may of givin you a starting point, but Im sure he told you to measure also.
As far as Elliotts heads, Its up to him if he wants to explain but cylinder heads do not ruin piston rings, but running without a tune on 37# injectors does. Any prob he had was sqaured away with LE and thats all there is to it.
As far as Elliotts heads, Its up to him if he wants to explain but cylinder heads do not ruin piston rings, but running without a tune on 37# injectors does. Any prob he had was sqaured away with LE and thats all there is to it.
What has been laid out in front of me? Elliott saying that when he was diagnosing his engine problems he and the shop thought it had to be the PTV issue. Then they pulled the engine to check everything out and found two broken piston rings and found the real problem. I'm not sure how or why you are choosing to over look this, the picture is right in front of you. You can clearly see that even though there was PTV contact that the piston was still intact in good working order and the PTV contact didn't cause any major issue. Not wanting to deal with issues in the future he sent his heads back to Lloyd who sent him another set that wasn't milled down so much. Seems to be on the up and up to me and everyone else except you. You can't even explain to me why you think his heads caused his engine problems, you just keep saying, "The info is there." What info? Where? How do heads break piston rings? How Lloyd responsible for the engine builder not checking his PTV? Oh wait, I forgot, this is just like Speed not checking his pushrod length so that was Lloyd's fault too.
Why do you always try and bash Lloyd's work? Is this some sort of cosmic payback for Bret making you look like a fool over and over again on here and CamaroZ28? Is it easier to pass on your lame *** theories when there is no one to fight back and call you out on all your BS? Are you going to go crying to the mods again?
You mean you're surprised I'm not a douchebag troll like you?
Why do you always try and bash Lloyd's work? Is this some sort of cosmic payback for Bret making you look like a fool over and over again on here and CamaroZ28? Is it easier to pass on your lame *** theories when there is no one to fight back and call you out on all your BS? Are you going to go crying to the mods again?
You mean you're surprised I'm not a douchebag troll like you?
The heads I had purchased from Lloyd had been taken down way too much and the valves were hitting the pistons. Myself and to sponsors on here that did the swap could only come up with that being the issue.
And then there's:
He is sending me new heads.
I'm not sure how or why you are choosing to over look this, the picture is right in front of you. You can clearly see that even though there was PTV contact that the piston was still intact in good working order and the PTV contact didn't cause any major issue. Not wanting to deal with issues in the future he sent his heads back to Lloyd who sent him another set that wasn't milled down so much. Seems to be on the up and up to me and everyone else except you.
You can't even explain to me why you think his heads caused his engine problems, you just keep saying, "The info is there." What info? Where? How do heads break piston rings? How Lloyd responsible for the engine builder not checking his PTV? Oh wait, I forgot, this is just like Speed not checking his pushrod length so that was Lloyd's fault too.
Why do you always try and bash Lloyd's work? Is this some sort of cosmic payback for Bret making you look like a fool over and over again on here and CamaroZ28? Is it easier to pass on your lame *** theories when there is no one to fight back and call you out on all your BS? Are you going to go crying to the mods again?
You mean you're surprised I'm not a douchebag troll like you?
You mean you're surprised I'm not a douchebag troll like you?
You counter SSRRR's argument by asking him to prove something that Elliot has all of the relevant information on. How would you suggest he prove something when someone isn't being forward with the necessary information?
Last edited by Tireburnin; May 26, 2009 at 03:51 PM.
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Verdad Gallardo OH BTW LE DOES CNC the heads on 2 machines and as he put it, then he just connects the dots by hand.
All I see is AI advertises more than LE, doesnt mean they out perform LE, as a matter a fact LE heads come on the 8k Golen LTx 396 520hp w/ HR cam. Im sure there are alot of those engines out there running killer numbers and they just dont post on here. LE also works on alot of stuff AI wont.
All I see is AI advertises more than LE, doesnt mean they out perform LE, as a matter a fact LE heads come on the 8k Golen LTx 396 520hp w/ HR cam. Im sure there are alot of those engines out there running killer numbers and they just dont post on here. LE also works on alot of stuff AI wont.
As stated the info is there. You chose not to see it, make a spectacle of yourself in desperate hopes of spinning this in a different way. Just like SD's e-mails. He is accused of his heads being hacked before LE got them, it was proven wrong and now some other lame tactic is used.
Another direction, since when is the truth a reach?
Exactly my point, how can SS RRR make any logical assumptions if he doesn't have all the necessary information? The answer you ask.....he just makes it up. If he says it enough times it must be true, right? I'm still wondering how heads break pistons rings and cause blow by.
OH BTW LE DOES CNC the heads on 2 machines and as he put it, then he just connects the dots by hand.
All I see is AI advertises more than LE, doesnt mean they out perform LE, as a matter a fact LE heads come on the 8k Golen LTx 396 520hp w/ HR cam. Im sure there are alot of those engines out there running killer numbers and they just dont post on here. LE also works on alot of stuff AI wont.
All I see is AI advertises more than LE, doesnt mean they out perform LE, as a matter a fact LE heads come on the 8k Golen LTx 396 520hp w/ HR cam. Im sure there are alot of those engines out there running killer numbers and they just dont post on here. LE also works on alot of stuff AI wont.
Golen puts out a terrible hack product. You really get what you pay for with his product. I had a close friend put one of his 383 long blocks in a 95 convertable and laid down a massive 341rwhp and trapped like 84mph in the 8th mile. It's a good thing he wasn't all about drag racing, or he would have been more disapointed.
And Ai only advertises in two or so places. Thier product and customer results speak for themselves.
Exactly my point, how can SS RRR make any logical assumptions if he doesn't have all the necessary information? The answer you ask.....he just makes it up. If he says it enough times it must be true, right? I'm still wondering how heads break pistons rings and cause blow by.
LE was called a hack because he sent out poor quality product to the detriment of one of his customers.
Even if the poor QC didn't result in a hurt piston (broken ring lands) the heads still resulted in a necessary tear down to figure out the issue. There are costs associated with the tear down that shouldn't have occured.
All the info on those bad heads is scewed, because the most important facts were leftout and the dude used the wrong pushrods destroying his motor. I dont see how thats LEs fault, LE sure as **** told me I needed to measure for correct length, and sent me great emails explaining on how to measure the correct way. So I call BS again. He may of givin you a starting point, but Im sure he told you to measure also.
As far as Elliotts heads, Its up to him if he wants to explain but cylinder heads do not ruin piston rings, but running without a tune on 37# injectors does. Any prob he had was sqaured away with LE and thats all there is to it.
As far as Elliotts heads, Its up to him if he wants to explain but cylinder heads do not ruin piston rings, but running without a tune on 37# injectors does. Any prob he had was sqaured away with LE and thats all there is to it.
What fact are you calling BS on?
I have experience with both products and you don't?
The fact that lloyd mentioned mutliple times the previous portwork would have no impact on the final outcome?
The fact that Lloyd publicly reccomended 7.15" pushrods many times?
The fact that I had the heads checked out by 2 seperate shops and both said the machine work was the problem?
The fact that even if a pushrod was off .05-.1" it would just cause the guide to slowly wear out? It's pretty much impossible to crack an exhaust valve, and most of the cracked guides were still well within spec.
OH BTW LE DOES CNC the heads on 2 machines and as he put it, then he just connects the dots by hand.
All I see is AI advertises more than LE, doesnt mean they out perform LE, as a matter a fact LE heads come on the 8k Golen LTx 396 520hp w/ HR cam. Im sure there are alot of those engines out there running killer numbers and they just dont post on here. LE also works on alot of stuff AI wont.
All I see is AI advertises more than LE, doesnt mean they out perform LE, as a matter a fact LE heads come on the 8k Golen LTx 396 520hp w/ HR cam. Im sure there are alot of those engines out there running killer numbers and they just dont post on here. LE also works on alot of stuff AI wont.
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Probably because they were milled too much causing PTV contact. There may have been damage to the valves, but it wasn't said, maybe there was, but in either case they were milled too much and couldn't be used.
So you can call Elliott a liar and fabricating evidence but I'm reaching when I call out a clear inconsistency in Speed's evidence? Pot, meet Kettle. Considering the fact that the piston is still in one piece and still on the stock rod I would guess that there was very little scaring to the top of the piston.
I'm still trying to figure out what info you are referring to. You are reading what you want to read versus what is typed on the page. I don't see how you can make the assumptions you make when the info isn't there, it's all made up in your head cause it's not typed anywhere in this thread. Just like all these other LE cars that are having the same issues, I'm not reading anything about them and there are tons of other LE setups out there.
Another direction, since when is the truth a reach?
Last edited by SS RRR; May 26, 2009 at 04:15 PM.
I think he is more at issue with the heads having a major flaw requiring a tear down of the motor. But for LE sending out a bad product, Elliot would not have had to tear that motor apart. QC should have been better. Why should Elliot be forced to pay for the gaskets, labor etc when he paid good money for what he thought was a quality part?
LE was called a hack because he sent out poor quality product to the detriment of one of his customers.
Even if the poor QC didn't result in a hurt piston (broken ring lands) the heads still resulted in a necessary tear down to figure out the issue. There are costs associated with the tear down that shouldn't have occured.
LE was called a hack because he sent out poor quality product to the detriment of one of his customers.
Even if the poor QC didn't result in a hurt piston (broken ring lands) the heads still resulted in a necessary tear down to figure out the issue. There are costs associated with the tear down that shouldn't have occured.
I think he is more at issue with the heads having a major flaw requiring a tear down of the motor. But for LE sending out a bad product, Elliot would not have had to tear that motor apart. QC should have been better. Why should Elliot be forced to pay for the gaskets, labor etc when he paid good money for what he thought was a quality part?
LE was called a hack because he sent out poor quality product to the detriment of one of his customers.
Even if the poor QC didn't result in a hurt piston (broken ring lands) the heads still resulted in a necessary tear down to figure out the issue. There are costs associated with the tear down that shouldn't have occured.
LE was called a hack because he sent out poor quality product to the detriment of one of his customers.
Even if the poor QC didn't result in a hurt piston (broken ring lands) the heads still resulted in a necessary tear down to figure out the issue. There are costs associated with the tear down that shouldn't have occured.
