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Old May 26, 2009 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
He tore it down because as soon as he got on the dyno, he had blow by issues, the heads didnt cause that, and thats when he noticed the pvc prob, not the other way around. I beleive it was running untuned that caused the ring failure, but thats just a guess.
If they heads were milled a lot more than they were supposed to be that would dramatically increase the compression ratio which would have a good chance of causing detonation. Did anyone ever CC the chambers? And what were the compression test readings?

Some pics of the pistons would clear everything up and kill this whole debate.
Old May 26, 2009 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
Another funny thing is this thread is not even about heads its about a cam. But you idiots had to come in with the bashing
This has more to do with trying to get people to avoid throwing their cash and nuts on the craps table in hopes of receiving a decent product.
I'd much rather Elliot tell the truth than to have you and others speak for him with all of your speculative ponderings. Maybe you can answer why it is too difficult to show images of the tops of the pistons and cylinder heads as well as disclose what the compression readings were instead of skirting around the issue.
So what your saying is the heads had nothing to do with the piston rings that were causing blow by? That sure is what it sounds like to me.
The piston blow by caused the tear down dumbass. Not the ******* heads
Now calm down and stop this meltdown nonsense. No need to get so frantic.
Maybe you need to read this again:
The heads I had purchased from Lloyd had been taken down way too much and the valves were hitting the pistons. Myself and to sponsors on here that did the swap could only come up with that being the issue.
That is what I am going by. For some reason it makes no sense to you and the others willing to speak for Elliot. It's baffling...
Old May 26, 2009 | 06:50 PM
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Im not speaking for him just letting you know what I know.
If it was such a craps shoot then why is he still in buisness and recognized as one of the very best porters, with plenty of cars to prove it! So of everything I know there may be 2 potential cases of bad LE heads, and both of them were potential install related failures.
If Elliotts builder checked the clearances he would of never Installed them and could have sent them back for the replacement, Speeds issues, well I see a bunch of stuff that could have happened, PR length being a big one. That car still made 405 rwhp installed incorrectly back in 07 thats pretty damn good number and still lasted 3k of abuse im sure.
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
Im not speaking for him just letting you know what I know.
I don't need to know what you know. I'd rather it come from Elliot.
Old May 26, 2009 | 08:00 PM
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OK then. Im going home now, although this has been entertaining!
Old May 26, 2009 | 08:07 PM
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This thread is so freaking retarded. Everyone seriously needs to grow up...I cant believe I sat here and read 12 page of bullshit.
Old May 26, 2009 | 08:37 PM
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Hey SS RRR, what does your car run?

The best i've seen is a 12.09@ 115. Just curious.
Old May 26, 2009 | 08:49 PM
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Bottom line is many of the guys here have nothing better to do than rip and disparage LE based on a handful of stories gone wrong and never taking into account the much larger amount of positive experiences with his products.

You tools cant even properly place the blame in an honest and fair way and take into account that LE has no way of how his products are used.
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Old May 26, 2009 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by joelster
Hey SS RRR, what does your car run?

The best i've seen is a 12.09@ 115. Just curious.
Do his times lend any relevance to the credibility of his questions? Just curious.
Old May 26, 2009 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SS MPSTR
Do his times lend any relevance to the credibility of his questions? Just curious.
Actually, it would, yes. The best i've seen him post was a 12.09
Old May 26, 2009 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
If they heads were milled a lot more than they were supposed to be that would dramatically increase the compression ratio which would have a good chance of causing detonation. Did anyone ever CC the chambers? And what were the compression test readings?

Some pics of the pistons would clear everything up and kill this whole debate.

Best questions here.
Old May 26, 2009 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by joelster
Actually, it would, yes. The best i've seen him post was a 12.09
Really? How?

My dick is bigger than yours. So what? See how dumb your post was now?
Old May 26, 2009 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SS MPSTR
Really? How?

My dick is bigger than yours. So what? See how dumb your post was now?
Wow, someone's a little sensitive. I'm just wondering if he practices what he preaches. He seems to think he's the end-all-be-all of LT1 modification knowledge, yet his own car runs bolt-on times. A stroker motor with Ai stuff stcuk in the 12's, imagine that.
Old May 26, 2009 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by joelster
Wow, someone's a little sensitive. I'm just wondering if he practices what he preaches. He seems to think he's the end-all-be-all of LT1 modification knowledge, yet his own car runs bolt-on times. A stroker motor with Ai stuff stcuk in the 12's, imagine that.
I could be mistaken, but I don't believe he runs Ai stuff, so I'm not sure how any of that is even relevant as I've stated before. I don't recall reading anything that suggests what you've stated either.
Old May 26, 2009 | 09:29 PM
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Holy crap, 12 pages and still not locked. I am a newbee and have been thinking LE or AI head/cam packages. Well I guess after reading this thread I will get a LE2 for the left head and a AI for the right. Problem solved!
Old May 26, 2009 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SS MPSTR
I could be mistaken, but I don't believe he runs Ai stuff, so I'm not sure how any of that is even relevant as I've stated before. I don't recall reading anything that suggests what you've stated either.
He posted earlier in this thread, page 4 or 5 that he used to run Lingenfelter stuff, now he runs different stuff. I was just assuming he is running AI stuff, by the way he defends them.

Besides, all I asked was a simple question with no flaming or anything, and YOU got kinda bent on it. Chill out a bit and let him answer.
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Originally Posted by fuzzyjk
Holy crap, 12 pages and still not locked. I am a newbee and have been thinking LE or AI head/cam packages. Well I guess after reading this thread I will get a LE2 for the left head and a AI for the right. Problem solved!

good choice! But the intake manifold will never fit right
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Originally Posted by joelster
Wow, someone's a little sensitive. I'm just wondering if he practices what he preaches. He seems to think he's the end-all-be-all of LT1 modification knowledge, yet his own car runs bolt-on times. A stroker motor with Ai stuff stcuk in the 12's, imagine that.
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Actually, it would, yes. The best i've seen him post was a 12.09
Originally Posted by joelster
He posted earlier in this thread, page 4 or 5 that he used to run Lingenfelter stuff, now he runs different stuff. I was just assuming he is running AI stuff, by the way he defends them.

Besides, all I asked was a simple question with no flaming or anything, and YOU got kinda bent on it. Chill out a bit and let him answer.

Who are you kidding? We both know very well the intent of the questions you've posed and they have no relevance. Right now, you're no better than the douchebags fanning the flames unnecessarily - I know you're smarter than that.
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Originally Posted by SS MPSTR
Who are you kidding? We both know very well the intent of the questions you've posed and they have no relevance. Right now, you're no better than the douchebags fanning the flames unnecessarily - I know you're smarter than that.
I have no idea what it runs. I mean I have a HUNCH, but that's about it. I just want to know what his car runs that's all. He always brags about all of these AI records and whatnot. I want to know what his own car runs.

I liken him to the skinny 160lb dude giving out weight training advice over the internet.
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Originally Posted by joelster
I have no idea what it runs. I mean I have a HUNCH, but that's about it. I just want to know what his car runs that's all. He always brags about all of these AI records and whatnot. I want to know what his own car runs.

I liken him to the skinny 160lb dude giving out weight training advice over the internet.
I see your point, but consider that he may be the crack fiend telling you to to stay away from a certain dealer. He doesn't have to be a dealer himself, or a broke junkie, to offer advice. Brian, like many of us, have learned some things the hard way.

The Ai records are impressive - subscription to the camp is not necessary to appreciate them, nor is having a fast car yourself. Separate the message from the messenger.

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