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Flashing CEL after rocker swap

Old 08-06-2009, 10:27 PM
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Ok, so I just finished my rocker swap the other day, and the car seems to being loading up bad on fuel? The CEL will randomly flash for a few seconds then stop. The car is way down on power, which leads me to think its too rich. Im sure it should be re-tuned for the extra lift of the rockers, but why is it dumping so much fuel? Any ideas guys?
Old 08-06-2009, 10:35 PM
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I would look up the stored dtc's with a scanner and go from there. If the rockers are not adjusted right, power will be down. Is the valve train noisy? Did you install a lt4 knock module?
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Well if its flashing I'm pretty sure thats a random cylinder misfire. Have you checked it plug wires? It could be a possibility. You could have moved them when you were putting the RR's on and now it burnt a wire.
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Originally Posted by kinglt-1
I would look up the stored dtc's with a scanner and go from there. If the rockers are not adjusted right, power will be down. Is the valve train noisy? Did you install a lt4 knock module?
The valetrain is quiet, i have an LT4 knock sensor as well.
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Originally Posted by Huff035
Well if its flashing I'm pretty sure thats a random cylinder misfire. Have you checked it plug wires? It could be a possibility. You could have moved them when you were putting the RR's on and now it burnt a wire.
Yeah, Ill double check them. Thats a good possiblity though.
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As stated, scan the car. If all you did was swap rockers, you probably need to readjust them. What rockers did you install?
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I have Comp pro-mags, hardend chromoly 7.200 PR's, GM guideplates, 7/16 studs, LS7 lifters and 918 springs with new seats, locks retainers and guide seals. I scanned the car, no codes showed up at all. I tried it with the car off, and running while the CEL was flashing, still nothing. Im getting it retuned next week hopefully, however my tuner thinks it may be running lean instead of rich.
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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
As stated, scan the car. If all you did was swap rockers, you probably need to readjust them. What rockers did you install?
I believe that the rockers are set to 1/2 past lash, they were still a little noisy. I added another 1/3 turn and it quieted it down.
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Originally Posted by OddballLt1
I believe that the rockers are set to 1/2 past lash, they were still a little noisy. I added another 1/3 turn and it quieted it down.
That's 5/6 turn of preload, might be a little too much. I've always used 1/2 turn with stock rockers without issue. You might try to readjust them with the engine running (most accurate way) using 1/2 turn. The comp pro mags will be a little bit noisier than stock, but if you adjust them correctly, it's nothing much.
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How do you determine the amount of preload?
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Originally Posted by OddballLt1
How do you determine the amount of preload?
The amount of required preload is dictated by the lifter you are using. I think most people use ~1/2 turn on stock lifters. Some like Comp R's use less, something like 1/8-1/4 turn, don't remember exactly.
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were the lifters pumped up before said adjustment?
cause if they wern't you definetly overtightend..
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Yes, they were all pumped up. How would overtighting the rocker, cause an excess rich/lean condition? The valves staying open too long or not long enough?
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open always, allowing unburnt fuel and o2 come out the exhaust before it ever even fires...
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So I should loosen them up alittle bit? It seems to run worse, since I added alittle more tension to quiet the valvetrain down. Can I work backwards and loosen the rockers until it clears up alittle?
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Yep you went too far. Start at 1/4 turn and go from there! Not sure about working backwards, imo just start over.
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Ok, I might as well.
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Start the car with one valve cover removed. Loosen the poly lock until the rocker is loose and clanking around a little. Back the set screw out some. Then tighten down the poly lock until is seats on the rocker. It should just stop turning by had or with a socket in your hand. Then use a wrench to add 1/4-1/2 turn of preload. Repeat with the remaining 7 rockers on that side. The reinstall the valve cover and do the same thing on the other side. You will have to remove your alt for the passenger side, no biggie, you can leave the alt off for the adjustment procedure.
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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
Start the car with one valve cover removed. Loosen the poly lock until the rocker is loose and clanking around a little. Back the set screw out some. Then tighten down the poly lock until is seats on the rocker. It should just stop turning by had or with a socket in your hand. Then use a wrench to add 1/4-1/2 turn of preload. Repeat with the remaining 7 rockers on that side. The reinstall the valve cover and do the same thing on the other side. You will have to remove your alt for the passenger side, no biggie, you can leave the alt off for the adjustment procedure.
Ok, I put an 1/8 turn of preload. Ill add more if it needs it. My tuner suggested a method similar to this... Basically loosen the center allen lock and loosen the outside poly lock until the rocker can be wiggled alittle. Then tightend the outside poly lock by hand until the PR cannot move up and down with your fingers, then using the allen wrench gently tighten the center lock. Last he said to tighten the outside lock, going about an 1/8 turn which is all that it would allow me to do. I did this on all the rockers. Is this safe? He wanted me to do this with the motor off.

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[QUOTE=OddballLt1;12036771]
Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
Start the car with one valve cover removed. Loosen the poly lock until the rocker is loose and clanking around a little. Back the set screw out some. Then tighten down the poly lock until is seats on the rocker. It should just stop turning by had or with a socket in your hand. Then use a wrench to add 1/4-1/2 turn of preload. Repeat with the remaining 7 rockers on that side. The reinstall the valve cover and do the same thing on the other side. You will have to remove your alt for the passenger side, no biggie, you can leave the alt off for the adjustment procedure.[/QUOTE

Ok, I put an 1/8 turn of preload. Ill add more if it needs it. My tuner suggested a method similar to this... Basically loosen the center allen lock and loosen the outside poly lock until the rocker can be wiggled alittle. Then tightend the outside poly lock by hand until the PR cannot move up and down with your fingers, then using the allen wrench gently tighten the center lock. Last he said to tighten the outside lock, going about an 1/8 turn which is all that it would allow me to do. I did this on all the rockers. Is this safe? He wanted me to do this with the motor off.
Adjusting the valve lash while the engine is running is the most accurate method IMO.

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