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Old 08-13-2009 | 08:14 PM
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[QUOTE=Formula383]Are you running brackets in some event or part of a series or just on the weekends? Dallas did a pretty good job with the ProMods a few weekends ago but there were only about 10-12 cars. It will take more than 1 hour just to run 1 round for each class. There were 7 classes this year and that means each round would have to finish in less than 10 minutes? Not gonna happen.
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I run on the weekends. My car hasn't ran consistently enough to become part of a series. No time between work and school full time on both.

I think there were just too many brackets to run in a one day race. What did we have, like 6?
Old 08-13-2009 | 08:18 PM
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as far as tracks go i'll throw in my $.02.

I have raced at gateway alot. over the years they are careing more and more about the money and less about the racers. we looked into renting gateway some years back and it was sky high. if you have any type of oil down or debre on the track get ready to wait. we call it waitway. they are the only game in town and it really shows at times. its a good track but i just don't see it happening.

i have raced at kcir quite a few times as well. they recently changed hands (a few years ago) and maybe they are heading the way of gateway. i don't know as i haven't been there in a few years but they used to always be a great track. they always hooked and actually cared about the racers.

memphis. i haven't been there in a very long time but when i used to race there we ran ihra and super chevy. its a great track, or it was back then atleast.
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GIZMO I didn't get a chance to talk to you at the shootout I was running the same class as you but 11.1 was not enough to get out of the first round. I'm curious who's converter you running and what size ? your car leaves hard.
I hate that I didn't get a chance to meet all the racers. I run an 8" ATI converter (MRT). It stalls around 5000 rpm. I think my best sixty foot was a 1.38 for the shootout. I had to add 200 lbs in the trunk to make minimum weight. In good air and at 3030 lbs the car has gone 1.30, but without the big wheelstand. To really move a N/A car you need a bunch of rear gear and a tall rear tire. I also run a TH200 with a 2.75 low gear. Everything in the drivetrain is light weight, which really helps the car come out of the hole.
Old 08-13-2009 | 08:25 PM
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I just think there was a lot of wasted time. Why did you make 6 passes? I didn't realize we had that many cars in the brackets we had setup. I think I saw Tony run 4 times TOPS.
We had three qualifying passes and three elimination rounds (8 cars). I probably could have done with two qualifying passes, but for a race like this it was nice to have the extra time to work out what we could pick-up in a pinch.
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I hate that I didn't get a chance to meet all the racers. I run an 8" ATI converter (MRT). It stalls around 5000 rpm. I think my best sixty foot was a 1.38 for the shootout. I had to add 200 lbs in the trunk to make minimum weight. In good air and at 3030 lbs the car has gone 1.30, but without the big wheelstand. To really move a N/A car you need a bunch of rear gear and a tall rear tire. I also run a TH200 with a 2.75 low gear. Everything in the drivetrain is light weight, which really helps the car come out of the hole.
Thanks for the info. I thought about doing gun drilled axles but I heard it's not a good idea for a street car. My car is still pretty heavy at 3450 to so there are a few things I can do to go a little quicker maybe a bigger cam and more stall.
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Thanks for the info. I thought about doing gun drilled axles but I heard it's not a good idea for a street car. My car is still pretty heavy at 3450 to so there are a few things I can do to go a little quicker maybe a bigger cam and more stall.
I think that for heads-up racing a lot of the strokers could do with a little less first gear. I have a feeling that you guys are getting out of your "sweet spot" way too fast. A TH350 with stock gears and aluminum drums would probably really wake your car up (2.52 vs 3.06). I would go with an 8" converter, but I wouldn't go crazy with the stall. A dyno session should tell you a lot about what stall you need.
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Originally Posted by GIZMO
I think that for heads-up racing a lot of the strokers could do with a little less first gear. I have a feeling that you guys are getting out of your "sweet spot" way too fast. A TH350 with stock gears and aluminum drums would probably really wake your car up (2.52 vs 3.06). I would go with an 8" converter, but I wouldn't go crazy with the stall. A dyno session should tell you a lot about what stall you need.
It's funny you say that....The latest CAR CRAFT has a new planetary setup that lowers the first gear on the 700/4L60 series trannies. Brings it close to the Ford AOD in terms of gearing. Would probably help a bunch for the guys that wanna stay a little lower for a little longer.....
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Originally Posted by GIZMO
I think that for heads-up racing a lot of the strokers could do with a little less first gear. I have a feeling that you guys are getting out of your "sweet spot" way too fast. A TH350 with stock gears and aluminum drums would probably really wake your car up (2.52 vs 3.06). I would go with an 8" converter, but I wouldn't go crazy with the stall. A dyno session should tell you a lot about what stall you need.

It's funny that you say this because I had a Th400 in the car and ran a best of 11.2 @119 mph I restalled the converter twice because the car was a slug off the line best sixty 1.61 so I thought going back to the 4L60 with more gear would be better. The car has ran slightly better with the 4L60 but maybe it was the converter in the Th400 that was holding me back.

Thanks again, I hope you don't mind if I pick your brain on occasion.
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Originally Posted by BADHAWK51
It's funny that you say this because I had a Th400 in the car and ran a best of 11.2 @119 mph I restalled the converter twice because the car was a slug off the line best sixty 1.61 so I thought going back to the 4L60 with more gear would be better. The car has ran slightly better with the 4L60 but maybe it was the converter in the Th400 that was holding me back.

Thanks again, I hope you don't mind if I pick your brain on occasion.
There is a lot of ET to be gained in the transmission/converter. Reduced rotating weight is a major factor. A TH400 is an extremely strong transmission, but without all the light weight internals it is really heavy. A TH350 would be a better choice. Again, aluminum drums are worth a good bit. There are also aftermarket gear sets available. You will see gains in a good 8" converter. But, keep in mind that most of this stuff would have a short lifespan if driven on the street.

A few years ago I lent a TH350 and converter to a friend of mine who was already running a TH350 in his Firebird. He gained a solid 10th in the 1/8th. That transmission had some light weight parts, but no aluminum.

I run a TH200 in my car because it is faster than my best TH350. If you go that route, be prepared for more frequent rebuilds.

Keep in mind that transmissions are pretty easy to change out. There is no reason that you can't have one go fast piece and another for the street. It takes about an hour for me to switch mine out.

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Old 08-15-2009 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BADHAWK51
Thanks for the info. I thought about doing gun drilled axles but I heard it's not a good idea for a street car.
A friend of mine ran them on the street and noticed they were starting to twist. Probably from all the turns.
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Jeff

keep in mind you wanted a better driver and performance and the car has ran far better consistently with the 60E

Darren has all light weight stuff as he mentioned which makes a world of difference over your tank ( both car and driveline )
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Jeff

keep in mind you wanted a better driver and performance and the car has ran far better consistently with the 60E

Darren has all light weight stuff as he mentioned which makes a world of difference over your tank ( both car and driveline )

Oh yea I know but I find it interesting to hear how guys have gotten the most out of their combo's and what it took to get there. I'm very happy with the way my car runs just always looking to improve but also realize it is still a street car that gets driven a good amount on the street.
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yes..it is a nice street car that you actually use. We will talk about setup changes soon.
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Originally Posted by LS1 SPEED
yes..it is a nice street car that you actually use. We will talk about setup changes soon.

Cool need to figure out whats next for the next shootout.
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Originally Posted by BADHAWK51
Cool need to figure out whats next for the next shootout.
The number that caught my attention this year was 127 (mph).
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Originally Posted by GIZMO
The number that caught my attention this year was 127 (mph).

Yea I know his pass against me I think was 126mph but I thought it was kind of strange 11.03 @ 126 with a decent 1.49 sixty I believe.
Slip all the way to right. I thought it would be a solid ten second pass.


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You should buy a practice tree and bracket race that car!
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Originally Posted by GIZMO
You should buy a practice tree and bracket race that car!

I know the car is dead consistent but my reaction times are horrible.
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Originally Posted by BADHAWK51
I know the car is dead consistent but my reaction times are horrible.
It just takes a little concentration and practice.
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Originally Posted by BADHAWK51
Yea I know his pass against me I think was 126mph but I thought it was kind of strange 11.03 @ 126 with a decent 1.49 sixty I believe.
Warren ran 126.9 in qualifying too. If he ever figures out the rest of his car and tune I think he may have the HP to go pretty fast next year.



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