View Poll Results: Would you like to see a Bolt on only heads up style class at the 2011 LTXshootout?
YES! i think thats a great idea!
70
89.74%
NO! waste of time no one will show!
2
2.56%
who cares?
3
3.85%
camaroracing12 stfu and stop posting garbage like this!
3
3.85%
Voters: 78. You may not vote on this poll
New class proposal for 2011 ltxshootout
FYI-LT1 Bolt on car was 3150 with 235# driver so the car itself was 2915. It was stripped, ie no interior/plastic/carpet.
I have weighed everything in the car I could take off...with that being said, a car without driver could easily be 3000# and still retain door panels, carpet, and plastic. and actually can be less if one was to have aftermarket brakes/etc.
This was with K-member/A-arms/T56 and homebuilt LCA/PHB, no SFCs.
With minimum effort a hard top car can be at 3400#s and retain airbags, carpet, etc and for the bolt on cars to actually run well there can not be alot of weight.
I know if I had a bolt on car I would want it as light as possible but if the rules stated carpet, 2 seats, glass, plastic type stuff then I would make sure it was all there per the rules but it was be as light as possible, b/c I want to see 11sec bolt ons, not 12 sec index racing :-)
I like the idea of doing a tech at the hotel the night before and what about weight (if there has to be one) just the car, taking us fatasses out of the equation of making weight or not making it.....
I have weighed everything in the car I could take off...with that being said, a car without driver could easily be 3000# and still retain door panels, carpet, and plastic. and actually can be less if one was to have aftermarket brakes/etc.
This was with K-member/A-arms/T56 and homebuilt LCA/PHB, no SFCs.
With minimum effort a hard top car can be at 3400#s and retain airbags, carpet, etc and for the bolt on cars to actually run well there can not be alot of weight.
I know if I had a bolt on car I would want it as light as possible but if the rules stated carpet, 2 seats, glass, plastic type stuff then I would make sure it was all there per the rules but it was be as light as possible, b/c I want to see 11sec bolt ons, not 12 sec index racing :-)
I like the idea of doing a tech at the hotel the night before and what about weight (if there has to be one) just the car, taking us fatasses out of the equation of making weight or not making it.....
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I'm gonna have a few beers Friday night, get a lawn chair, and watch the tech for this class? Anyone down to join me? What beer do you guys drink? LMAO... I will bring some Rolling Rocks and some Killian's. LOL
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FYI-LT1 Bolt on car was 3150 with 235# driver so the car itself was 2915. It was stripped, ie no interior/plastic/carpet.
I have weighed everything in the car I could take off...with that being said, a car without driver could easily be 3000# and still retain door panels, carpet, and plastic. and actually can be less if one was to have aftermarket brakes/etc.
This was with K-member/A-arms/T56 and homebuilt LCA/PHB, no SFCs.
With minimum effort a hard top car can be at 3400#s and retain airbags, carpet, etc and for the bolt on cars to actually run well there can not be alot of weight.
I know if I had a bolt on car I would want it as light as possible but if the rules stated carpet, 2 seats, glass, plastic type stuff then I would make sure it was all there per the rules but it was be as light as possible, b/c I want to see 11sec bolt ons, not 12 sec index racing :-)
I like the idea of doing a tech at the hotel the night before and what about weight (if there has to be one) just the car, taking us fatasses out of the equation of making weight or not making it.....
I have weighed everything in the car I could take off...with that being said, a car without driver could easily be 3000# and still retain door panels, carpet, and plastic. and actually can be less if one was to have aftermarket brakes/etc.
This was with K-member/A-arms/T56 and homebuilt LCA/PHB, no SFCs.
With minimum effort a hard top car can be at 3400#s and retain airbags, carpet, etc and for the bolt on cars to actually run well there can not be alot of weight.
I know if I had a bolt on car I would want it as light as possible but if the rules stated carpet, 2 seats, glass, plastic type stuff then I would make sure it was all there per the rules but it was be as light as possible, b/c I want to see 11sec bolt ons, not 12 sec index racing :-)
I like the idea of doing a tech at the hotel the night before and what about weight (if there has to be one) just the car, taking us fatasses out of the equation of making weight or not making it.....
The idea behind having a teardown rule is to keep the "ringers" out. I will say up front that it would have to be pretty blatant for anyone to have to turn a wrench. If that is the case, I have no problem helping someone pull an intake and put it back. Gaskets and materials will be furnished for free. I am way to old and fat to actually want to do this, but without the threat of teardown the class is a fail.
Keep it honest and there will be NO TEARDOWNS.
Please, everyone keep in mind that the number one goal is to have FUN.
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Verdad Gallardo again we need to just kinda hash it out and see what the best rule set is for the class.....
this class is about daily drivers and pure street cars.......no tin cans and purpose built race cars.......
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The same goes for you. We would love to see you run. I for one really appreciate your comments. I can't guarantee that you will get everything you want, but we will do our best to create a level playing field.
Please, everyone keep in mind that the number one goal is to have FUN.
Please, everyone keep in mind that the number one goal is to have FUN.
I'd love to come and participate! I'm not driving 800+ miles one way (ASSuming BG venue again) to get raped by cars over a second faster though so I will be watching for the official rules carefully. Running with "ringers" kind of kills the fun off. Let's see who has the fastest bolt on driver and can drive it. That would be fun!
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I guess I am viewing this from the wrong POV, the idea (I guess) is to up car counts and have a specific class that is not the 12.0 index. Instead of my POV seeing how far one can push the BOLT ONs ie further than 11.80, granted weather is not going to be condusive to that kind of time slip but I can see a low 12.0/11.99 being had IF there was not some of these proposed rules.
Just let me know what the goal is and I can work around it b/c it appears to be different than what I had in mind.
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I don't know, I think we can establish rules that would make for a pretty level field without resorting to indexing. I would like a driver's/tuner's race, not a wallet race or a fastest without breaking out race.
No high life for me Jen. lol and its only cheap because Fat tire is expensive and I couldnt afford car parts if it were my main beer. 
Shon I hear ya and kinda originally though the class would be an unlimited class except the engine internally. Although I dont think that many cars would show up. I think the Street Stock Idea can bring in lots of cars that the average guy has.
Shon I hear ya and kinda originally though the class would be an unlimited class except the engine internally. Although I dont think that many cars would show up. I think the Street Stock Idea can bring in lots of cars that the average guy has.
Everything looks good so far, although I'd have to add pipe to the true duals on my DD car...
PS Tony, In a few days I'll have another cap lying around to send this year...
-Dustin-
PS Tony, In a few days I'll have another cap lying around to send this year...
-Dustin-
Last edited by Bersaglieri; Dec 29, 2010 at 02:45 PM.