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388, lt4 intake, AFR 210 heads. A nasty build on the way

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Old 12-25-2010, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 86formula
so you're going to launch at like 5200 on spray with that stall and pull to 7k? not gonna work out the way you're hoping, ask me how i know
So your saying I should be using a smaller stall?
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
So now you are saying they are ported further than AFR's competition porting??

That is different from what you had been saying and admittedly a step in the right direction.

You may well get 10s NA but you will not get 500rwhp through a TH400 NA with a HR.
How is that not possible?
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Originally Posted by SPRAYED Z
How is that not possible?
if hes looking to hit it with a 250+ shot its going to hurt his N/A power a bit. its just unrealistic thats all but not impossible.

call a converter company and speak with them about what stall should be in the car once the motor is all figured out
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
You may well get 10s NA but you will not get 500rwhp through a TH400 NA with a HR.
This. Do you want to run the number, or brag that it makes XXX RWHP? The TH400 and loose stall is going to just kill the bragging number ability.
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No way could AFR ever make any power. No way.
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^ Really? Check my sig.
Unless you're being sarcastic. I've noticed that's a Gregrob thing.
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Originally Posted by qc97z
^ Really? Check my sig.
Unless you're being sarcastic. I've noticed that's a Gregrob thing.
LOL yes he is being sarcastic.

as for the power he should easily make 500 rwhp, I dont see why not
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normally I stay out of these posts due to all of the brand emotions involved.

To the O.P., I have a similar build out in my shop...
396cid
Ported AFR 227's (older castings)
246/254 .613/.590 112lsa HR cam
Single plane intake
OEM pcm and MSD opti
700r4/12 bolt/ 3.73

the one time I had it onthe dyno it made 380whp (love telling people this )
car has run a best of 11.10 @ 125 on a pitiful 1.6 60'...this is due to the car launching around 2K rpm off the bottle. My car is buit for the bottle and I was willing to sacrifice NA performance.

Your ET goal seem very likely given the parts you have, I have a customer that has run in the 6.2's (1/8 mile with the oem pcm and an LT4 intake). but with a SR cam...so 10s NA should be withing reach if the car can use the power it will make.
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The OP gives half the info about the heads and then the clueless masses keep telling him 500rwhp is possible with a HR cam and a TH400.

People need to give COMPLETE info about a setup they are asking for help on and respondents need to have the slightest of clues what they are talking about. There are very few NA solid roller LT1s making 500rwhp through a T56 or 4L60E both of which dyno better than a TH400.

As covered his ET goal does not match his rwhp goal so the two need to be separated.
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I did not know the 210s needed the LT4 intake, learn something new everyday!

If the OP was going 11.0 NA then 10s will be easy NA and 9s should not be an issue on spray. 500rwhp NA will be very hard to do with a HR cam and th400. Who knows though get er done and lets see what happens.
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Originally Posted by Ray@Nitrous Outlet
normally I stay out of these posts due to all of the brand emotions involved.

To the O.P., I have a similar build out in my shop...
396cid
Ported AFR 227's (older castings)
246/254 .613/.590 112lsa HR cam
Single plane intake
OEM pcm and MSD opti
700r4/12 bolt/ 3.73

the one time I had it onthe dyno it made 380whp (love telling people this )
car has run a best of 11.10 @ 125 on a pitiful 1.6 60'...this is due to the car launching around 2K rpm off the bottle. My car is buit for the bottle and I was willing to sacrifice NA performance.

Your ET goal seem very likely given the parts you have, I have a customer that has run in the 6.2's (1/8 mile with the oem pcm and an LT4 intake). but with a SR cam...so 10s NA should be withing reach if the car can use the power it will make.
Thanks that seems a bit more reassuring and lets me know 10s are within reach. Also still being on the stock pcm with the ltx intake. The only difference would be me using a HR cam instead. It will definitely be used for spray and thats what I want it for more than anything.
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
I did not know the 210s needed the LT4 intake, learn something new everyday!

If the OP was going 11.0 NA then 10s will be easy NA and 9s should not be an issue on spray. 500rwhp NA will be very hard to do with a HR cam and th400. Who knows though get er done and lets see what happens.
Yep the AFR 210s and above need a lt4 intake to match the heads. Anything below the 210 series uses a lt1 intake such as the 195, 185
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anyone else have ideas, I just got my hurricane single plane intake and am looking forward to installing the matching parts. ALso I just picked up a ls1 pcm, coil pack for efi 24x setup
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i put down 425rwhp thru a th400, 9", and 28" slicks. stock shortblock and a hr cam that runs the power brakes like a champ.

if i had a 388 with more compression, nicely ported afr 210's, and a much more aggressive cam, i bet i could get fairly close to 500rwhp.
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Originally Posted by vtec
i put down 425rwhp thru a th400, 9", and 28" slicks. stock shortblock and a hr cam that runs the power brakes like a champ.

if i had a 388 with more compression, nicely ported afr 210's, and a much more aggressive cam, i bet i could get fairly close to 500rwhp.
are you running a stock ltx intake or single plane/carb setup?
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Originally Posted by SPRAYED Z
are you running a stock ltx intake or single plane/carb setup?
im running a non-ported accel pro ram single plane. basically a vic. jr.
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Originally Posted by vtec
im running a non-ported accel pro ram single plane. basically a vic. jr.
do you have any pics of your setup?
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Originally Posted by vtec
im running a non-ported accel pro ram single plane. basically a vic. jr.
Where are you spinning to? .

Remember that OP wants to do 500rwhp NA through a TH400 and big stall while being limited to 7000rpm with an HR.

Pull the rpm limit and jump to an SR and its possible, but wont be cheap...

You will spend more on your valvetrain then most spend on their shortblock.
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Originally Posted by Puck
Where are you spinning to? .

Remember that OP wants to do 500rwhp NA through a TH400 and big stall while being limited to 7000rpm with an HR.

Pull the rpm limit and jump to an SR and its possible, but wont be cheap...

You will spend more on your valvetrain then most spend on their shortblock.
mine peaks around 67-6800 n/a iirc. i do not turn it that high on the bottle. it is pretty dang mild. i have thought about pulling this motor out when im done with it and putting it into a street car.

i wouldnt limit myself to the factory pcm if i was wanting to make 500rwhp. i would do a megasquirt, single plane, and sbc dizzy. or the ls1 pcm....
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hell ya I would do the same but I have no $$$


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